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Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] protocol v2

From
Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
Date
Feb 26, 2015, 20:08 UTC
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com> wrote:
>>>>> I can understand, that we maybe want to just provide one generic
>>>>> "version 2" of the protocol which is an allrounder not doing bad in
>>>>> all of these aspects, but I can see usecases of having the desire to
>>>>> replace the wire protocol by your own implementation. To do so
>>>>> we could try to offer an API which makes implementing a new
>>>>> protocol somewhat easy. The current state of affairs is not providing
>>>>> this flexibility.
>>>>
>>>> I think we are quite flexible after initial ref advertisement.
>>>
>>> Yes, that is exactly where my "I am not convinced" comes from.
>>>
>>
>> We are not. (not really at least). We can tune some parameters or
>> change the behavior slightly,
>> but we cannot fix core assumptions made when creating v2 protocol.
>> This you can see when when talking about v1 as well: we cannot fix any
>> wrongdoings of v1 now by adding another capability.
>
> Step 1 then should be identifying these wrongdoings and assumptions.

So I think one of the key assumption was to not have many refs to advertise, and advertising the refs is fine under that assumption. So from my point of view it is hard to change the general

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>
> We can really go wild with these capabilities. The only thing that
> can't be changed is perhaps sending the first ref. I don't know
> whether we can accept a dummy first ref... After that point, you can
> turn the protocol upside down because both client and server know what
> it would be.

So the way I currently envision (the transition to and) version 2 of the protocol:

First connection (using the protocol as of now):
Server: Here are all the refs and capabilities I can offer. The capabilities
    include "not-send-refs-first" (aka version2)
Client: Ok, I'll store not-send-refs-first for next time. Now we will
continue with
    these options: <...>. For now we continue using the current
protocol and I want
    to update the "master" branch.
Server: Ok here is a pack file, and then master advances $SHA1..$SHA1
Client: ok, thanks, bye
For the next connection I have different ideas:
Client thinks v2 is supported, so it talks first: Last time we talked
your capabilities
hashed to "$SHA1", is that still correct?
Server: yes it is
# In the above roundtrip we would have a new key assumption that the
capabilities
# don't change often. Having push-certs enabled, this is invalid of
today. Hover this
# could be implemented with very low bandwidth usage
# The alternative path would be:
# Server: No my new capabilities are: <....>
Client: Ok I want to update all of refs/heads/{master,next,pu}. My
last fetch was
    yesterday at noon.
Server: Let me check the ref logs for these refs. Here is a packfile of length
    1000 bytes: <binary gibberish>
    {master, next} did not update since yesterday noon, pu updates from A..B
Client: ok, thanks, bye
Another approach would be this:
Client thinks v2 is supported, so it talks first: Last time we talked
you sent me
    refs advertisement including capabilities which hash to $SHA1.
Server: I see, I have stored that. Now that time has advanced there are a few
    differences, here is a diff of the refs advertisement:
* b3a551adf53c224b04c40f05b72a8790807b3138 HEAD\0 <capabilities>
* b3a551adf53c224b04c40f05b72a8790807b3138 refs/heads/master
- 24ca137a384aa1ac5a776eddaf35bb820fc6f6e6 refs/heads/tmp-fix
+ 1da8335ad5d0e46062a929ba6481bbbe35c8eef0 refs/pull/123/head
    Note that I do not include changed lines as +one line and - one
line as you know
    what the line was by your given $SHA1, so changed lines are marked
with *, while
    lines starting with '-' indicate deleted refs and '+' indicate new refs.
Client: I see, I can reconstruct the refs advertisement. Now we can
continue talking
as we always talked using v1 protocol.
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>
>> So from my point
>> of view we don't waste resources when having an advertisement of
>> possible protocols instead of a boolean flag indicating v2 is
>> supported. There is really not much overhead in coding nor bytes
>> exchanged on the wire, so why not accept stuff that comes for free
>> (nearly) ?
>
> You realize you're advertising v2 as a new capability, right? Instead
> of defining v2 feature set then advertise v2, people could simply add
> new features directly. I don't see v2 (at least with these patches)
> adds any value.

Yes, we can go wild after the refs advertisement, but that is not the critical problem as it works ok-ish? The problem I see for now is the huge refs advertisement even before the capabilities are exchanged. So maybe I do not want to talk about v2 but about changing the current protocol to first talk about the capabilities in the first round trip, not sure if we ever want to attach data into the first RT as it may explode as soon as that information grows in the future. The disadvantage would be one added round trip time, though I'd guess that's ok for most compared to the huge refs advertisement.

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>
>> I mean how do we know all the core assumptions made for v2 hold in the
>> future? We don't. That's why I'd propose a plain and easy exchange at
>> first stating the version to talk.
>
> And we already does that, except that we don't state what version (as
> a number) exactly, but what feature that version supports. The focus
> should be the new protocol at daemon.c and maybe remote-curl.c where
> we do know the current protocol is not flexible enough.
Most features are pretty non-invasive and at a few points in the code, you
can add
     if (featureX)
        doFeatureXRelatedStuff();

For changing the initial talking we'd need to make a more drastic change to the code, which is why I thought to call it v2.

Thanks for your input, Stefan

> --
> Duy
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Message 13 of 80 in “protocol v2”
  1. 0/3 protocol v2Stefan Beller, Feb 24, 2015
  2. 1/3 Document protocol capabilities extensionStefan Beller, Feb 24, 2015
  3. 2/3 receive-pack: add advertisement of different protocol optionsStefan Beller, Feb 24, 2015
  4. 3/3 receive-pack: enable protocol v2Stefan Beller, Feb 24, 2015
  5. Duy NguyenFeb 24, 2015
  6. Stefan BellerFeb 24, 2015
  7. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2015
  8. Stefan BellerFeb 24, 2015
  9. Duy NguyenFeb 25, 2015
  10. Junio C HamanoFeb 25, 2015
  11. Stefan BellerFeb 26, 2015
  12. Duy NguyenFeb 26, 2015
  13. Stefan BellerFeb 26, 2015
  14. Junio C HamanoFeb 26, 2015
  15. Stefan BellerFeb 27, 2015
  16. Stefan BellerFeb 27, 2015
  17. Junio C HamanoFeb 27, 2015
  18. Stefan BellerFeb 27, 2015
  19. Junio C HamanoFeb 28, 2015
  20. Stefan BellerFeb 28, 2015
  21. 0/5 protocol v2 for upload-packStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  22. 1/5 upload-pack: only accept capabilities on the first "want" lineStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  23. 2/5 upload-pack: support out of band client capability requestsStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  24. Kyle J. McKayFeb 28, 2015
  25. Duy NguyenFeb 28, 2015
  26. Kyle J. McKayFeb 28, 2015
  27. Duy NguyenMar 1, 2015
  28. Duy NguyenFeb 28, 2015
  29. 3/5 connect.c: connect to a remote service with some flagsStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  30. Torsten BögershausenFeb 28, 2015
  31. Junio C HamanoMar 1, 2015
  32. 4/5 daemon.c: accept extra service argumentsStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  33. Junio C HamanoMar 1, 2015
  34. 5/5 WIP/Document the http protocol changeStefan Beller, Feb 28, 2015
  35. Duy NguyenFeb 28, 2015
  36. Johannes SixtMar 1, 2015
  37. Junio C HamanoMar 2, 2015
  38. Junio C HamanoMar 2, 2015
  39. Duy NguyenMar 2, 2015
  40. Duy NguyenMar 2, 2015
  41. Duy NguyenMar 3, 2015
  42. Junio C HamanoMar 3, 2015
  43. Junio C HamanoMar 3, 2015
  44. Duy NguyenMar 4, 2015
  45. Shawn PearceMar 4, 2015
  46. Duy NguyenMar 4, 2015
  47. Shawn PearceMar 4, 2015
  48. Stefan BellerMar 5, 2015
  49. Stefan BellerMar 5, 2015
  50. Stefan BellerMar 24, 2015
  51. Junio C HamanoMar 24, 2015
  52. protocol upload-pack-v2Stefan Beller, Mar 6, 2015
  53. Stefan BellerMar 6, 2015
  54. Duy NguyenMar 6, 2015
  55. Duy NguyenMar 7, 2015
  56. Junio C HamanoMar 7, 2015
  57. Stefan BellerMar 7, 2015
  58. Duy NguyenMar 7, 2015
  59. Junio C HamanoMar 8, 2015
  60. Junio C HamanoMar 31, 2015
  61. Duy NguyenApr 2, 2015
  62. Junio C HamanoApr 2, 2015
  63. Martin FickApr 2, 2015
  64. Junio C HamanoApr 2, 2015
  65. Stefan BellerApr 2, 2015
  66. Stefan BellerApr 2, 2015
  67. Duy NguyenMar 10, 2015
  68. Kyle J. McKayMar 10, 2015
  69. Duy NguyenFeb 28, 2015
  70. Junio C HamanoFeb 28, 2015
  71. Junio C HamanoMar 1, 2015
  72. Duy NguyenMar 1, 2015
  73. Stefan BellerMar 1, 2015
  74. David LangMar 2, 2015
  75. Junio C HamanoMar 1, 2015
  76. David LangMar 2, 2015
  77. Junio C HamanoMar 2, 2015
  78. Philip OakleyMar 1, 2015
  79. Duy NguyenMar 2, 2015
  80. Stefan BellerFeb 27, 2015

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