Re: [PATCH] grep: --full-tree

From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2009, 12:13 UTC
Message-ID: <94a0d4530911290413vbd71849u62ef01ed76bad4c0@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0911272102430.4521@intel-tinevez-2-302>

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:

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> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Jeff King wrote:
>> Yes, as a matter of fact, I do work on 10 different computers. I'm sorry
>> that you find managing your configuration so challenging. But if you
>> don't use the configuration variable, then your own personal setup is
>> totally irrelevant.
>
> As I just demonstrated, this is a false statement.

Yes, defaults are important in UI.

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>> If your argument is that this lack of consistency will irritate users,
>> you need to show that:
>>
>>   1. There are users who switch between a large number of setups, but
>>      will not apply config consistently.
>
> This is a strawman, and you should be ashamed to put it here.  Just
> because nobody does what you actively encourage does not mean that the
> encouraged procedure is good, or for that matter, helps anybody but you.

Not to mention that it's completely irrelevant. The fact that all users apply their configurations consistently through their setups, or not, doesn't make a default preference better or worst.

If the argument is that default preferences are not relevant enough, then step aside and let the people that care about default preferences to discuss.

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>> And the GitTogether had a "users complain about git, and we try to
>> listen" session.
>
> Oh, that makes me so happy.  <sarcasm>Soooo happy</sarcasm>.  So it was an
> ivory tower meeting, once again?

This is very typical on many open source projects. I think the benevolent dictator model works pretty good on low-level stuff, but on UI I think a democratic model works better.

I've been thinking on setting up a pseudo-project on SourceForge and setup an IdeaTorrent, that way users can generate and organize ideas so that developers can have meaningful conversations with users: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/

What do you think?

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Felipe Contreras