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Re: [RFC/PATCH] Git doc: GPL2 does not apply to repo data

From
Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
Date
Feb 1, 2016, 10:44 UTC
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From: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
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> Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org> writes:
>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/git.txt b/Documentation/git.txt
>> index bff6302..137c89c 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/git.txt
>> +++ b/Documentation/git.txt
>> @@ -1132,6 +1132,17 @@ of clones and fetches.
>>    - any external helpers are named by their protocol (e.g., use
>>      `hg` to allow the `git-remote-hg` helper)
>>
>> +Licencing: Your data, and the Git tool[[Licencing]]
>> +---------------------------------------------------
>> +
>> +Git is an open source tool provided under GPL2.
>> +Git was designed to be, and is, the version control system
>> +for the Linux codebase.
>> +Your respository data created by Git is not subject to Git's GNU2
>> +licence, see GPL FAQs
>> +http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.en.html#TOCGPLOutput).
>> +
>> +User should apply a licence of their own choice to their repository 
>> data.
>>
>>  Discussion[[Discussion]]
>>  ------------------------
>
> While I know you mean well, and I do understand the sentiment behind
> this addition,
It was an RFC for that very sentiment.
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>             there are at least two reasons why I do not want to
> (and why we should not) add any "clarification" or "interpretation"
> like this.
>
> One is because such a statement is pointless.  Because we do not do
> copyright assignment to the project, you are not the sole copyright
> owner of Git.  Individual contributors hold copyright to the part
> they wrote.  The above statement you made, even with an endorsement
> by me as the project lead, does not have any power to assure that
> the users will not get sued by one copyright holder, who is not you
> or me, and at that point it is up to the court to interpret GPLv2.
> We can call such a copyright holder crazy or call such a suit
> frivolous, but that does not change the fact that the court is what
> decides the matter, so having that statement does not help the user.
>
> Another is because we are amateurs.  Philip, you may or may not be a
> lawyer yourself,

Correct, but as an Engineer I do get to review terms & conditions and specifications quite often..

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>    but I know you are not _our_ lawyer.  An amateurish
> "interpretation" or "clarification" does not necessarily clarify the
> text but it muddies it, especially when done carelessly.  Imagine a
> case where a user creates a derived work of Git itself and stored it
> in a Git repository.
>      "Your respository data created by Git is not
> subject to Git's GNU2"--really?  At least the phrasing must say that
> the act of storing something in Git alone would not *MAKE* that
> something governed under GPLv2.

I can see the potential double meaning now you highlight it - I was thinking of the 'if it's _your_ data, you can choose'; however if it's not your data, the originator's restrictions would apply - that wasn't said.

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>     What the user puts in Git may
> already be covered under GPLv2 for other reasons, and a statement
> carelessly written like the above can be twisted to read as if we
> are endorsing use of our code outside GPLv2 as long as they store it
> in Git repository, which is not what you meant to say, but "that is
> not what the copyright holder meant" is another thing the lawyer
> need to argue in court to convince the judge, when we need to go
> after a real copyright violator.
>
> We should leave the lawyering to real lawyers and we should not add
> unnecessary work of interpreting our amateurish loose statement to
> our laywers.

Given Jonathan's question, and your earlier feedback, it did feel that a bit of clear blue water would be useful between Git (the DVCS), and /.git/ (the repo contents), even if it were only to clarify the issues...

>
> Thanks.
>

-- Philip

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  1. Jonathan SmithJan 25, 2016
  2. Junio C HamanoJan 25, 2016
  3. Philip OakleyJan 27, 2016
  4. Johannes SchindelinJan 28, 2016
  5. Philip OakleyJan 31, 2016
  6. Git doc: GPL2 does not apply to repo dataPhilip Oakley, Jan 31, 2016
  7. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2016
  8. Jonathan SmithJan 31, 2016
  9. Johannes SchindelinFeb 1, 2016
  10. Matthieu MoyFeb 1, 2016
  11. Jeff KingFeb 1, 2016
  12. Jeff KingFeb 1, 2016
  13. Philip OakleyFeb 1, 2016
  14. Philip OakleyFeb 1, 2016
  15. Philip OakleyFeb 1, 2016

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