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Re: Difficulties in advertising a new branch to git newbies

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Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>
Date
Jan 31, 2007, 01:34 UTC
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Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
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> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:13:26PM -0800, Carl Worth wrote:
>
>> Also, if I'm willing to assume (or insist) that users have git 1.5 or
>> newer, it'd be nice to be able to drop the "-b build" thing thanks to
>> the new detached HEAD support. But if I suggest doing just:
>> 
>> 		git checkout origin/proposed-fix
>> 
>> the user is presented with the following message which is much more
>> scary than useful in this situation:
>> 
>> 	warning: you are not on ANY branch anymore.
>> 	If you meant to create a new branch from the commit, you need -b to
>> 	associate a new branch with the wanted checkout.  Example:
>> 	  git checkout -b <new_branch_name> origin/proposed-fix
>
> I don't see any reason why we can't scare the user when making a commit,
> instead of just checkout out to look around. Something like the patch
> below. It needs a few things:
>   - remove the old checkout message
>   - we wrap the colorization over the multi-line message. Probably a
>     color_printf_lines() function should be added
>   - if colorization is enabled, print it using color.status.warning
>     (default to red).
>
> I'm happy to make all those happen if there is interest (Junio, please
> comment).

That does not protect anything other than interactive "git commit". People often do "git commit -m" or "git commit -C". In addition, rebasing a detached HEAD, merging into a detached HEAD, cherry-picking onto a detached HEAD or running reset on a detached HEAD to move to a particular state you want to look at are all useful and valid operations, and you wouldn't get any warning when you do so.

I do not think warning at every step that you are "in a funny state" does not help productivity, so I'd prefer warning upfront once and be silent afterwards, until you try to come back with "git checkout <existing branch>", potentially losing your state, which is what we currently do.

Having said that, I think making "git checkout -f" not to issue the warning might be enough. Actually, I would even say it would make perfect sense.

For situations like Carl's intstruction where a user, who is purely a sightseer, uses the detached HEAD to go-and-look a particular state, the fact that "-f" loses the previous local modifications is not an issue at all. On the other hand, if the user is a developer who uses git, the warning upfront (if we want to keep it for educational purposes, to make people aware of what is happening) is useful without "-f", and when a user who is using git to manage his own development, he hopefully knows what "git checkout -f" means to his local modifications already.

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  1. Carl WorthJan 30, 2007
  2. Jakub NarebskiJan 30, 2007
  3. Yann DirsonJan 30, 2007
  4. Jakub NarebskiJan 30, 2007
  5. Junio C HamanoJan 30, 2007
  6. Jakub NarebskiJan 30, 2007
  7. Matthias LederhoferJan 30, 2007
  8. Matthias LederhoferJan 30, 2007
  9. Jeff KingJan 30, 2007
  10. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2007
  11. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  12. Jeff KingJan 31, 2007
  13. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  14. Jeff KingJan 31, 2007
  15. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  16. Jeff KingJan 31, 2007
  17. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2007
  18. Theodore TsoJan 31, 2007
  19. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2007
  20. Jakub NarebskiJan 31, 2007
  21. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  22. Daniel BarkalowJan 31, 2007
  23. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  24. Daniel BarkalowJan 31, 2007
  25. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  26. J. Bruce FieldsJan 31, 2007
  27. Jakub NarebskiJan 31, 2007
  28. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  29. Daniel BarkalowJan 31, 2007
  30. Nicolas PitreJan 31, 2007
  31. Guilhem BonnefilleJan 31, 2007
  32. Carl WorthJan 31, 2007
  33. Johannes SchindelinJan 31, 2007
  34. Santi BéjarJan 31, 2007
  35. Carl WorthJan 31, 2007
  36. Josef WeidendorferFeb 1, 2007
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  38. Jakub NarebskiFeb 1, 2007
  39. Carl WorthFeb 6, 2007
  40. Junio C HamanoFeb 6, 2007
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  42. Jeff KingFeb 6, 2007
  43. Carl WorthFeb 6, 2007
  44. Junio C HamanoFeb 6, 2007
  45. Carl WorthFeb 6, 2007
  46. Jakub NarebskiFeb 6, 2007
  47. Jeff KingFeb 6, 2007
  48. Junio C HamanoFeb 6, 2007
  49. Jeff KingFeb 6, 2007
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