git/list[1] front-page[2] threads[3] people[4] search[5] about
 

Re: [PATCH v3 8/8] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs

From
Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Date
Aug 20, 2021, 15:49 UTC
Message-ID
<643d67a9-054f-bc22-cf30-763fc082e9d3@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To
<nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2108191015260.55@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>
On 8/19/2021 4:48 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
Show 6 quoted lines
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:
> This description makes sense, and is easy to explain.
> 
> It does not cover the case where untracked files are found and the
> directory is _not_ removed as a consequence, though. I would like to ask
> to add this to the commit message, because it is kind of important.
Right. I should have modified the message from my earlier version when
the issues with untracked files came up.
 
Show 6 quoted lines
> The implementation of this behavior looks fine to me.
> 
> About this behavior itself: in my experience, the more tricky a feature is
> to explain, the more likely the design should have been adjusted in the
> first place. And I find myself struggling a little bit to explain what
> files `git switch` touches in cone mode in addition to tracked files.

Keep in mind that 'git switch' does not change the sparse-checkout cone, and the activity being described is something that would happen within 'git sparse-checkout set' or 'git sparse-checkout reapply'.

Show 11 quoted lines
> So I wonder whether an easier-to-explain behavior would be the following:
> ignored files in directories that fell out of the sparse-checkout cone are
> deleted. (Even if there are untracked, unignored files in the same
> directory tree.)
> 
> This is different than what this patch implements: we would now have to
> delete the ignored and out-of-cone files _also_ when there are untracked
> files in the same directory, i.e. we could no longer use the sweet
> `remove_dir_recursively()` call. Therefore, the implementation of what I
> suggested would be much more complicated: you would have to enumerate the
> ignored files and remove them individually.

Outside of "it's harder to write that feature", perhaps I could convince you that it is better to do nothing in the presence of untracked files.

If a user has an untracked file within a directory that is leaving the sparse cone, then that means they were doing something in that space and perhaps has unfinished work. By leaving the files on-disk, they have an opportunity to revert the change to the sparse-checkout cone and continue their work interrupted. This includes keeping things like build artifacts (that are ignored) so they can incrementally build from that position.

The general thought I have here is: having untracked, not-ignored files in a directory that is leaving the sparse-checkout cone is an unexpected behavior, so we should do as little as possible in that scenario.

It also makes it more clear to the user what happened: "You had untracked files here, so we left them alone" is easier to understand than "You had untracked files here, so we deleted the ones that were ignored and kept the rest."

> Having said that, even after mulling over this behavior and sleeping over
> it, I am unsure what the best way forward would be. Just because it is
> easy to explain does not make it right.

Of course, you already have a retort to my claim that "simpler is better", but I'll just focus on the point that "simpler for the user to understand" is a different point than "simpler to implement".

> Which leaves me to wonder whether we need at least a flag to turn this
> behavior on and off? Something like
> `core.ignoredFilesInSparseConesArePrecious = true` (obviously with a
> better, shorter name).

You are right that there are a lot of users out there, and they have very different habits. Those habits are shaped by the way Git has worked for a long time, so adding a way to go back to the previous behavior would be good to have.

Thanks, -Stolee

Previous: Johannes SchindelinNext: Elijah Newren
Message 40 of 92 in “Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone”
  1. 0/2 Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse coneDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Jul 29, 2021
  2. 1/2 t7519: rewrite sparse index testDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Jul 29, 2021
  3. 2/2 sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Jul 29, 2021
  4. Elijah NewrenJul 30, 2021
  5. Derrick StoleeAug 2, 2021
  6. Elijah NewrenAug 2, 2021
  7. Derrick StoleeAug 5, 2021
  8. Elijah NewrenAug 5, 2021
  9. Elijah NewrenJul 30, 2021
  10. 0/8 Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse coneDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  11. 1/8 t7519: rewrite sparse index testDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  12. 2/8 sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patternsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  13. 3/8 sparse-index: silently return when cache tree failsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  14. Elijah NewrenAug 19, 2021
  15. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  16. 4/8 unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir searchDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  17. 5/8 sparse-checkout: create helper methodsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  18. Derrick StoleeAug 12, 2021
  19. 6/8 attr: be careful about sparse directoriesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  20. 7/8 sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flagDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  21. 8/8 sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 10, 2021
  22. 0/8 Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse coneDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  23. 2/8 sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patternsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  24. 1/8 t7519: rewrite sparse index testDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  25. Johannes SchindelinAug 19, 2021
  26. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  27. Eric SunshineAug 20, 2021
  28. 3/8 sparse-index: silently return when cache tree failsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  29. 5/8 sparse-checkout: create helper methodsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  30. Johannes SchindelinAug 19, 2021
  31. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  32. 4/8 unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir searchDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  33. Johannes SchindelinAug 19, 2021
  34. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  35. René ScharfeAug 20, 2021
  36. René ScharfeAug 20, 2021
  37. Elijah NewrenAug 19, 2021
  38. 8/8 sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  39. Johannes SchindelinAug 19, 2021
  40. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  41. Elijah NewrenAug 20, 2021
  42. Elijah NewrenAug 20, 2021
  43. Johannes SchindelinAug 23, 2021
  44. 7/8 sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flagDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  45. Derrick StoleeAug 18, 2021
  46. 6/8 attr: be careful about sparse directoriesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 17, 2021
  47. Johannes SchindelinAug 19, 2021
  48. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  49. Elijah NewrenAug 19, 2021
  50. Derrick StoleeAug 20, 2021
  51. Elijah NewrenAug 20, 2021
  52. Elijah NewrenAug 17, 2021
  53. 00/10 Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse coneDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  54. 01/10 t7519: rewrite sparse index testDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  55. 02/10 sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patternsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  56. 03/10 sparse-index: silently return when cache tree failsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  57. 04/10 sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OKDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  58. Elijah NewrenAug 27, 2021
  59. Derrick StoleeAug 30, 2021
  60. Elijah NewrenAug 30, 2021
  61. 05/10 unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir searchDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  62. René ScharfeAug 24, 2021
  63. Derrick StoleeAug 25, 2021
  64. 06/10 sparse-checkout: create helper methodsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  65. 07/10 attr: be careful about sparse directoriesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  66. 08/10 sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flagDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  67. 09/10 sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  68. 10/10 sparse-checkout: add config to disable deleting dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Aug 24, 2021
  69. Elijah NewrenAug 27, 2021
  70. Derrick StoleeAug 30, 2021
  71. Elijah NewrenAug 30, 2021
  72. Elijah NewrenAug 27, 2021
  73. Elijah NewrenAug 27, 2021
  74. Derrick StoleeAug 30, 2021
  75. Elijah NewrenAug 30, 2021
  76. Derrick StoleeAug 30, 2021
  77. Elijah NewrenAug 30, 2021
  78. 0/9 Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse coneDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  79. 1/9 t7519: rewrite sparse index testDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  80. 2/9 sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patternsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  81. 3/9 unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir searchDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  82. 5/9 sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OKDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  83. 4/9 sparse-index: silently return when cache tree failsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  84. 6/9 sparse-checkout: create helper methodsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  85. 7/9 attr: be careful about sparse directoriesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  86. 8/9 sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flagDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  87. 9/9 sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Sep 8, 2021
  88. Junio C HamanoSep 8, 2021
  89. Junio C HamanoSep 8, 2021
  90. Derrick StoleeSep 8, 2021
  91. Junio C HamanoSep 8, 2021
  92. Elijah NewrenSep 8, 2021

Read the whole thread, see it on lore, or plain text.

$ cat FOOTERMessages come from the public archive at lore.kernel.org/git, fetched every hour. The front page is chosen and written each morning by an AI editor and can be wrong; the threads themselves are the record. About and API. For agents: an MCP server at https://gitlist.dev/mcp, and any thread, story or person page as Markdown by adding .md to its URL (or sending Accept: text/markdown). Details in /llms.txt.