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Re: Pull is Evil

From
Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Date
May 1, 2014, 15:20 UTC
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<5362664C.8040907@xiplink.com>
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<20140501094610.GB75770@vauxhall.crustytoothpaste.net>
On 14-05-01 05:46 AM, brian m. carlson wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 05:25:59PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Marc Branchaud wrote:
>>> On 14-04-30 04:14 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>> What is wrong when `git pull` merges a fast-forward?
>>>
>>> Nothing.  Everything.  It depends.
>>
>> It depends on what? I don't see how a fast-forward `git pull` could
>> possibly have any trouble.
>>
>>>> The problems with `git pull` come when you can't do a fast-forward merge, right?
>>>
>>> Some of them, maybe most of them.
>>
>> Name one problem with a fast-forward merge.
> 
> At work, we have a workflow where we merge topic branches as
> non-fast-forward, so that we have a record of the history (including who
> reviewed the code), but when we want to just update our local branches,
> we always want fast-forward:
> 
>   git checkout maintenance-branch
>   # Update our maintenance branch to the latest from the main repo.
>   git pull --ff-only
>   git pull --no-ff developer-remote topic-branch
>   git push main-repo HEAD
Thanks for the nice example.

To me this looks like an advanced use of "git pull". A new user could be taught to work like this, but I don't think a new user would come up with it on their own (until they became an experienced user).

What's more, it seems to me that the only real advantage "git pull" provides here is a less typing compared to the non-pull equivalent:

  git fetch main-repo
  git checkout main-repo/maintenance-branch
  git fetch developer-remote
  git merge --no-ff developer-remote/topic-branch
  git push main-repo HEAD

I suggest that this approach is superior for new users (despite the increased risk of finger cramps), because if main-repo's maintenance-branch is updated in the interim and the push fails, the user can use the exact same commands to resolve the situation.

Sure, the non-pull approach makes use of Scary Branch Stuff (remotes and namespaces and detached HEADs -- oh my!). But trying to avoid that stuff is precisely the slippery slope that led to pull's misguided gymnastics. We've gone down that slope, slipped and fallen over, and now we're wallowing in the muck.

		M.
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  1. Marat RadchenkoApr 28, 2014
  2. Junio C HamanoApr 28, 2014
  3. Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment)Marc Branchaud, Apr 30, 2014
  4. Junio C HamanoApr 30, 2014
  5. Marc BranchaudApr 30, 2014
  6. Jonathan NiederApr 30, 2014
  7. Junio C HamanoApr 30, 2014
  8. Marc BranchaudApr 30, 2014
  9. Andreas KreyMay 2, 2014
  10. David KastrupMay 2, 2014
  11. Andreas KreyMay 3, 2014
  12. David KastrupMay 3, 2014
  13. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  14. Marc BranchaudApr 30, 2014
  15. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  16. brian m. carlsonMay 1, 2014
  17. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  18. Junio C HamanoMay 1, 2014
  19. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  20. W. Trevor KingMay 1, 2014
  21. W. Trevor KingMay 1, 2014
  22. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  23. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  24. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  25. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  26. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  27. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  28. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  29. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  30. David KastrupMay 2, 2014
  31. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  32. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  33. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  34. W. Trevor KingMay 2, 2014
  35. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  36. pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil)W. Trevor King, May 2, 2014
  37. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  38. W. Trevor KingMay 3, 2014
  39. Felipe ContrerasMay 3, 2014
  40. W. Trevor KingMay 4, 2014
  41. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  42. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  43. Marc BranchaudMay 1, 2014
  44. W. Trevor KingMay 1, 2014
  45. Marc BranchaudMay 1, 2014
  46. W. Trevor KingMay 1, 2014
  47. Marc BranchaudMay 1, 2014
  48. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  49. Andreas KreyMay 2, 2014
  50. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  51. Junio C HamanoMay 2, 2014
  52. Junio C HamanoMay 2, 2014
  53. brian m. carlsonMay 1, 2014
  54. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  55. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  56. Marc BranchaudMay 1, 2014
  57. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  58. Philip OakleyMay 1, 2014
  59. Philip OakleyMay 1, 2014
  60. Felipe ContrerasMay 1, 2014
  61. W. Trevor KingMay 1, 2014
  62. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  63. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  64. Matthieu MoyApr 30, 2014
  65. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  66. Junio C HamanoApr 30, 2014
  67. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  68. Junio C HamanoApr 30, 2014
  69. Felipe ContrerasApr 30, 2014
  70. Stepan KasalApr 30, 2014
  71. Geert BoschApr 30, 2014
  72. John SzakmeisterMay 4, 2014
  73. Max KirillovMay 2, 2014

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