Re: Working with public-inbox.org [Was: [PATCH] rev-parse: respect core.hooksPath in --git-path]

From: Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>
Date: Feb 14, 2017, 07:13 UTC
Message-ID: <20170214071324.GA747@starla>
In-Reply-To: <7dbe0866-4a9b-7afe-8f51-ca1d5524d4a4@hotmail.com>

Arif Khokar <arif.i.khokar@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 02/13/2017 09:37 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> >I actually had expected *you* to put in a little bit of an effort, too. In
> >fact, I was very disappointed that you did not even look into porting that
> >script to use public-inbox instead of GMane.
> 
> I wasn't aware of that expectation.  My idea was to use NNTP as a way to
> facilitate the development of a new git utility that would serve as the
> inverse of git-send-email (sort of like the relationship between git
> format-patch and git am), rather than using a

Speaking for myself, I usually don't expect much, especially from newcomers. So I am disappointed to see Dscho's disappointment aimed at you, Arif. Especially since you're not a regular and we have no idea how much free time, attention span, or familiarity with Bourne shell you have.

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> IIRC, I had posted some proof-of-concept Perl code to do so back in August
> in <DM5PR17MB1353B99EBD5F4FD23360DD41D3ED0@DM5PR17MB1353.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
> 
> Looking at public-inbox now at the archives of this group, it appears that
> several of the messages I sent weren't archived for some reason (and I
> didn't see any more responses to what I posted at the time).  The messages
> are accessible via NNTP when connecting to gmane though.

It looks like it went to gmane via the meta@public-inbox.org to gmane.mail.public-inbox.general mirror, not via the git@vger mirror. I can't find it on git@vger's mail-archive.com mirror, either:

https://mail-archive.com/search?q=Arif+Khokar&l=git%40vger.kernel.org

> Also, looking at the source of the message I referenced, it appears that my
> MUA decided to base64 encode the message for some reason (which may have
> resulted in it getting filtered by those who I sent the message to).

It probably wasn't base64, but maybe it was one of these: http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-taboos.txt

Or it was the SPF softfail which you can see in the headers on both gmane and public-inbox. It might even be the '_' (underscore) in your other address. But even Junio gets dropped by vger sometimes: https://public-inbox.org/git/20170127035753.GA2604@dcvr/

But if I had to guess, vger gets hit by truckloads of spam and the the backscatter volume could become unimaginable, so perhaps it has good reason to discard silently.

Anyways, the eventual goal of public-inbox is to flip the mailing list model backwards into "archives first" mode, so a message needs to make it into public archives before it goes out to subscribers. That might prevent or avoid such problems... *shrug*