Re: Advertising the Git User's Survey 2011
- From
Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
- Date
- Oct 3, 2010, 12:48 UTC
- Message-ID
- <20101003124818.GA328@kytes>
- In-Reply-To
- <201010031121.03795.jnareb@gmail.com>
Hi Jakub,
Thanks for taking the time to go through my long (somewhat unstructured) note.
Jakub Narebski writes:
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> On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote: > > Interesting statistic: 24508 people viewed it, 7821 people completed > > it, but 0 people started filling out information and later decided not > > to submit it. It could mean that many people clicked through and found > > the survey, but probably left because it looked too long at a glance? > > Without the knowledge how those two numbers are calculated we can only > speculate what do they mean. > > I think that '0' in 'Incomplete' statistics is here because this survey > doesn't have compulsory questions: answering all questions are optional, > so it might mean that even if one question in the survey is answered, > then the survey is considered complete by Survs.com statistics.
I just opened up survs.com, signed up for a free account and created a survey with two compulsory questions- I couldn't submit the results without filling up both of them. Then I looked at the statistics and I saw a '0' in incomplete- I'm confused. Perhaps we can email survs.com and ask them?
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> I personally do not like the "wizard" formatting of surveys, i.e. > dividing survey into page so you are not presented with very long page, > but are presented withc chunks of survey at glance. Even if you see > how much survey did you fill in (how many pages there are in total), > and even if you can go back to previous page.
Same. I also think "wizard" is a bad idea for this- it would make it look like some sort of online test :p
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> I'd prefer to create a better information about survey upfront. We say
> that all questions are optional ("Note that you may skip questions as
> you like"). It is also stated that you can fill only a part of survey,
> and later go back to finish it... hmmm, I wonder if those cases where
> one edited his/her survey responses multiple times are counted as one
> finished survey, but multiple views.Sure. Again, we should perhaps email survs.com for such clarifications.
> We could also write how much time it takes on average to fil the survey.
Sounds good.
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> > The average time spent on the survery is 34 minutes > > It would be interesting to have more detailed statistics of time spent > on the survey that only average time, a single number. When one is > filling open-form essay-length question, it would obviously take much > more time than for one who doesn't.
Hm, yes. I didn't think about this.
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> > - I think we can bring that down to 10~15 minutes if we design > > questions to extract more information. Also, there's little incentive > > for taking the survey: while many companies actually give out > > discounts/ coupons for taking surveys, the least we can do is present > > real-time results in the most interesting manner possible ie. survey > > takers should see the "results so far" immediately after taking the > > survey; some visualizations such as pie charts? > > What we can do is after finishing the survey to redirect to the > survey analysis page: > > https://www.survs.com/results/33Q0OZZE/MV653KSPI2 > http://tinyurl.com/GitSurvey2010Analysis > > instead of IIRC currently used redirect to > > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSurvey2010 > > > As far as I know Survs.com doesn't provide any API for extracting data > or survey statistics required for creating such visualization. Neither > we have a place where such app could be created, I think.
Oh, ok- we should take too much trouble though; we should keep cost-to-benefit ratio in mind.
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> > In questions 5, 10, 12, 13, 16, cut down out the options that have > > very few respondents and let them all go into "other". It probably > > doesn't actually save the survey taker any time, but I think seeing a > > long page with many options can be scary. > > The "5. Which Git version(s) are you using?" is not that long. We could > create a cut off a bit earlier, perhaps on 1.4 (i.e. have "pre 1.4") or > even earlier, we could remove alternate implementations answers > (git-bigfiles, JGit, other implementations), or even concatenate 'master', > 'next', 'pu' into single response... but would it buy us much? > > The other side of removing choices, relying instead on "other, please > specify" response is that it makes it harder to analyze results of survey: > different people use different words for the same thing (and there are > also spelling mistakes), and make results less reliable: people do not > fill "other" if there is at least partial match, or do not know how to > specify their version.
Ofcourse. We should only remove options that don't necessarily tell us very much.
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> We can remove those choices in "12. What Git GUIs (graphical user > interfaces) do you use?" that got less than 1% rounded, or less than > 10 responses. On the other hand some people stated earlier that the > list of possible choices in the survey (not necessarily about this > question in specific) serve as reminder / information about possible > choices.
Hm, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose it can be used to advertise various applications.
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> The other side of removing options from "13. Which git hosting site(s) > do you use for your project(s)?" is that when sending requests to > announce the survey to those git hosting sites that are not on this > list, some of them requested to be added (which is impossible after > starting the survey; and before survey begins it is little sense to > send announcements).
I see. How are we going to tackle this in future?
> Besides all of those below 1% rounded (Codesion, GitFarm, The Chaw, > CipherHive) are also those that I didn't get response to request for > announcing Git User's Survey 2010...
Interesting.
> We could make it more organized though, e.g. by sorting list of options > alphabetically, or something like that.
Sounds good.
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> > 1. Country of residence: we can probably make this a nice click-on-map
> > interface as opposed to freeform text. It'll be more useful to us,
> > and more interesting to users when we advertise the results.
>
> It would be nice to have click-on-map (Google Maps or Bing Maps based),
> something like Ohloh provides, resulting in map of survey responders
> similar to the map of git users and git contributors on Ohloh
>
> http://www.ohloh.net/p/git/map
>
> it isn't something that Survs.com offers currently. I can only ask for
> it to be provided...
>
>
> Another solution would be to have pre-filled combo box (<select> field)
> with the list of countries to choose from, with GeoIP ised to pre-select
> the country. I can generate list of all countries myself
>
> $ perl -MLocale::Country \
> -wle 'print join("\n", sort (all_country_names()))'
>
> as far as I know Survs.com doesn't offer GeoIP nor any API to hook it
> to survey questions.I suppose we could always work out a way to display the results from the information Survs.com gives us.
> > 2. Age: Maybe we restrict the input to 2-digit integers and draw a > > graph with all these integers to show a mean, median etc? > > Restricting input doesn't give us much.
I just meant it as a sanity check in case people enter "34 years old" and the like.
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> There is nice histogram of responder's age for Git User's Survey 2009 > > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSurvey2009#02._How_old_are_you_.28in_years.29.3F > > and tabularization of responses. We can calculate mean, median, mode > (aka modal score, i.e. most common response), perhaps after eliminating > outliers, but would it give us much information?
Nice histogram! How did we manage to do this in 2009? Did we use a custom-made application to do the survey?
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> > 11. Just change this to an optional sometimes/ often? Why should users > > spend time clicking on "never"? > > "Never" is here because you can't un-click response in given row. > I'm also not sure how not answering row is represented in the export > of survey data (which we use for further analysis).
Oh, right. I didn't think about this.
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> > 17, 18: Merge perhaps? > > Those questions are split because of limitation of Survs.com; the > "other, please specify" results in limited width _text field_, while > it is much easier to write in-depth response in large _textarea_ field > that wuestion 18 provides.
Ah, I thought so.
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> > Ofcourse, I understand that there must be some technical constraints > > due to which some things are not implementable (eg. survs doesn't > > provide the feature?), but I've not taken that into consideration. > > Note that as it currently stands we can use Survs.com account only for > 2011 survey, provided that it is done earlier than this year (perhaps > 1 June -- 31 July?), as our Premium account which we got thanks to > generosity of Survs.com admins (after Survs.com got out of beta) will > downgrade to the Free plan (which is offersn much too low limits) > on Sep 22, 2011.
I see. Any thoughts on long-term plans? Do we pay for the premium account or do we build a custom application?
-- Ram