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Re: [RFC] git-gui USer's Survey 2007 (was: If you would write git from scratch now, what would you change?)

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Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>
Date
Dec 1, 2007, 02:35 UTC
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Jan Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Nevertheless, I actually think git-gui is quite well in Tcl/Tk and rewriting
> it in python nor any other language would probably help it in any way.

UNIX (really X11) users think git-gui looks like cr*p on their systems as Tk draws with 1980s widgets, not 2007 style widgets. They have every right to complain about the look and feel of the application, its utter crap. Tk 8.5's tiles extension may help that, but I haven't tried.

On Windows 2000/XP and Mac OS X I think I've gotten git-gui to (almost) fit into the rest of the desktop. It fits into the Windows UI better than it does Mac OS X, there are still some rough edges where it is really obvious its not a native Mac OS X application.

On all platforms Tk has some "features" that are less than desirable. For example it has been an absolute nightmare to get split pane divider things to work on all systems. I can't tell you how many days I spent just getting the main window to not react stupidly on each system. And it *still* doesn't act right everywhere. Sometimes if you resize the window the status bar on the bottom disappears and Tk just clips it right out of the UI (no, I didn't ask it to do that, Tk has bugs).

Building context sensitive menus isn't fun. Managing some data structures in Tcl isn't fun. The list of why I'm currently unhappy with Tcl/Tk for git-gui is actually pretty long.

-- 
Shawn.
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  1. Jakub NarebskiNov 25, 2007
  2. Pierre HabouzitNov 25, 2007
  3. Steven WalterNov 26, 2007
  4. Junio C HamanoNov 26, 2007
  5. Adam RobenNov 26, 2007
  6. Carlos RicaNov 26, 2007
  7. Daniel BarkalowNov 26, 2007
  8. Andy ParkinsNov 26, 2007
  9. Benoit SigoureNov 26, 2007
  10. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  11. David KastrupNov 26, 2007
  12. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  13. Michael PooleNov 26, 2007
  14. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  15. Michael PooleNov 26, 2007
  16. Jon SmirlNov 26, 2007
  17. Andy ParkinsNov 26, 2007
  18. Marco CostalbaNov 26, 2007
  19. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  20. Jakub NarebskiNov 27, 2007
  21. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  22. Johannes SchindelinNov 27, 2007
  23. [RFC] git-gui USer's Survey 2007 (was: If you would write git from scratch now, what would you change?)Jakub Narebski, Nov 27, 2007
  24. Johannes SchindelinNov 28, 2007
  25. Jason SewallNov 28, 2007
  26. Jan HudecNov 28, 2007
  27. Johannes SchindelinNov 28, 2007
  28. Jan HudecNov 29, 2007
  29. Johannes SchindelinNov 29, 2007
  30. Jan HudecNov 30, 2007
  31. Marco CostalbaNov 30, 2007
  32. Shawn O. PearceDec 1, 2007
  33. Marco CostalbaDec 1, 2007
  34. Sergei OrganovNov 28, 2007
  35. Andy ParkinsNov 27, 2007
  36. Marco CostalbaNov 27, 2007
  37. Jan HudecNov 27, 2007
  38. Johannes SchindelinNov 27, 2007
  39. Andy ParkinsDec 4, 2007
  40. Jing XueNov 27, 2007
  41. Jon SmirlNov 26, 2007
  42. David KastrupNov 26, 2007
  43. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  44. Benoit SigoureNov 26, 2007
  45. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  46. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  47. David KastrupNov 26, 2007
  48. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  49. David KastrupNov 26, 2007
  50. Jan HudecNov 26, 2007
  51. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  52. Wincent ColaiutaNov 26, 2007
  53. Junio C HamanoNov 26, 2007
  54. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  55. Junio C HamanoNov 26, 2007
  56. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  57. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  58. Junio C HamanoNov 27, 2007
  59. Steven GrimmNov 27, 2007
  60. Johannes SchindelinNov 26, 2007
  61. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  62. Johannes SchindelinNov 26, 2007
  63. Andreas EricssonNov 27, 2007
  64. Jakub NarebskiNov 27, 2007
  65. Dana HowNov 26, 2007
  66. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  67. Dana HowNov 26, 2007
  68. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  69. Dana HowNov 26, 2007
  70. Nicolas PitreNov 26, 2007
  71. Jakub NarebskiNov 26, 2007
  72. Dana HowNov 26, 2007
  73. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  74. Nicolas PitreNov 27, 2007
  75. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  76. Junio C HamanoNov 27, 2007
  77. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  78. Jakub NarebskiNov 27, 2007
  79. C# binding, was Re: If you would write git from scratch now, what would you change?Johannes Schindelin, Nov 27, 2007
  80. Nicolas PitreNov 27, 2007
  81. Dana HowNov 27, 2007
  82. Shawn O. PearceNov 27, 2007
  83. Linus TorvaldsNov 27, 2007

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