[Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.

> Hello,
> 
> I hope you're doing well. As the deadline for the final Outreachy
> application is approaching (Oct 29), I had a few questions regarding
> submitting the final application, specifically for Git projects:
> 
> Is there a specific way we should record our contributions? For
> example, should we include a link to the public mailing list
> discussion of a patch?

>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I hope you're doing well. As the deadline for the final Outreachy
> > application is approaching (Oct 29), I had a few questions regarding
> > submitting the final application, specifically for Git projects:
> >
> > Is there a specific way we should record our contributions? For
> > example, should we include a link to the public mailing list
> > discussion of a patch?
>
> Yes. In order to make it as easy as possible for us mentors I'd suggest
> to provide a link to every patch series you have sent to the mailing
> list in the context of Outreachy. It would also help us if you included
> the current status, e.g. whether it has been merged to `master` or
> `next`, as well as the commit ID with which things have been merged.
>
> > Are there any community-specific questions or expectations we should
> > be aware of?
>
> We outline the details that should be included in your application at
> [1]. The most important things are:
>
>   - Your self-presentation.
>
>   - An explanation of the project you want to tackle as well as a
>     rough timeline of how you want to tackle it.
>
>   - Links to the microprojects / other projects you have done during the
>     initial Outreachy phase.
>
> It is encouraged that you send the proposal/application to the Git
> mailing list so that we can provide feedback on it, which also allows
> you to iterate on it before the deadline. You can search our mailing
> list for examples -- most of the recent proposals in the context of GSoC
> for example had a "[GSOC][PROPOSAL]" tag.
>
> [1]: https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/
>
> > How should we go about detailing the project timeline in our application?
>
> We only expect a very rough timeline here. It should give you enough
> ramp-up time to learn about the code area you'll be working in and then
> give a rough idea for how things will be progressing. I'd recommend to
> not be overeager -- it is fine if things take time, and Git is not the
> fastest-moving project. Also, account for the time it will take you to
> get knowledgeable in the area.
>
> Of course, that timeline isn't binding at all. It rather serves as a
> demonstration to us that you understand the project and what subtasks it
> can be split into.
>
> > Is there anything specific that mentors are looking for in the final
> > application that we should take note of?
>
> It would be nice if you mentioned anything that could conflict with the
> internship up front. This includes things like you picking up a new job
> during the internship, which may limit the time you have available to
> work on projects.
>
> Anything else should be mentioned in the link provided above, I guess.
>
> > Thank you for your time and guidance!
>
> Thanks, and please let me know in case you have further questions!
>
> Patrick

> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a
> kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of
> questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the
> applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am
> guessing someone should add something  like self-presentation in
> answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question
> asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about
> previous experience.

>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a
> > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of
> > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the
> > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am
> > guessing someone should add something  like self-presentation in
> > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question
> > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about
> > previous experience.
>
> I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to
> me.
>
> > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?
>
> That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the
> following statement:
>
>     > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you
>     > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.
>
> I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple
> projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple
> years until your proposal gets accepted.

>
> I've asked internally whteher this is okay and will get back to you once
> I've got an answer.
>
> > I will start working on my final application to get enough feedback.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Patrick

> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:13 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a
> > > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of
> > > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the
> > > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am
> > > guessing someone should add something  like self-presentation in
> > > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question
> > > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about
> > > previous experience.
> >
> > I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to
> > me.
> >
> > > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?
> >
> > That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the
> > following statement:
> >
> >     > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you
> >     > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.
> >
> > I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple
> > projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple
> > years until your proposal gets accepted.
> Applying to multiple projects is accepted by Outreachy I think, as
> someone can submit an application separately for each of the projects
> in a community. I am just curious if Git has anything regarding it.

>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:13 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:
> > > > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a
> > > > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of
> > > > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the
> > > > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am
> > > > guessing someone should add something  like self-presentation in
> > > > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question
> > > > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about
> > > > previous experience.
> > >
> > > I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?
> > >
> > > That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the
> > > following statement:
> > >
> > >     > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you
> > >     > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.
> > >
> > > I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple
> > > projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple
> > > years until your proposal gets accepted.
> > Applying to multiple projects is accepted by Outreachy I think, as
> > someone can submit an application separately for each of the projects
> > in a community. I am just curious if Git has anything regarding it.
>
> Ah, our mails crossed. In any case, I don't think we have anything on
> this in the Git project. But if you apply to multiple Git projects I'd
> strongly recommend to state which of those projects you prefer to work
> on so that we can make an informed decision here.
>
> Patrick