{"thread":{"id":"62388","subject":"[Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","startedAt":"2024-10-22T11:45:27Z","lastAt":"2024-10-26T01:04:30Z","messageCount":9,"participants":["Usman Akinyemi","Patrick Steinhardt","Chizoba ODINAKA"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"505821","messageId":"CAPSxiM-kf8U=vzp5MoD3tUuOtnNjcCgPhLdriyeQo5CGf=EhyQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Usman Akinyemi","fromEmail":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","sentAt":"2024-10-22T11:45:14Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T11:45:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/86585626?v=4"},"body":"Hello,\n\nI hope you're doing well. As the deadline for the final Outreachy\napplication is approaching (Oct 29), I had a few questions regarding\nsubmitting the final application, specifically for Git projects:\n\nIs there a specific way we should record our contributions? For\nexample, should we include a link to the public mailing list\ndiscussion of a patch?\nAre there any community-specific questions or expectations we should\nbe aware of?\nHow should we go about detailing the project timeline in our application?\nIs there anything specific that mentors are looking for in the final\napplication that we should take note of?\n\nThank you for your time and guidance!\n\nBest regards,\nUsman Akinyemi\n"},{"id":"505822","messageId":"ZxeWDTFHpHmVePdF@pks.im","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"CAPSxiM-kf8U=vzp5MoD3tUuOtnNjcCgPhLdriyeQo5CGf=EhyQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Patrick Steinhardt","fromEmail":"ps@pks.im","sentAt":"2024-10-22T12:09:54Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T12:10:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ps@pks.im","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/4056630?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> Hello,\n> \n> I hope you're doing well. As the deadline for the final Outreachy\n> application is approaching (Oct 29), I had a few questions regarding\n> submitting the final application, specifically for Git projects:\n> \n> Is there a specific way we should record our contributions? For\n> example, should we include a link to the public mailing list\n> discussion of a patch?\n\nYes. In order to make it as easy as possible for us mentors I'd suggest\nto provide a link to every patch series you have sent to the mailing\nlist in the context of Outreachy. It would also help us if you included\nthe current status, e.g. whether it has been merged to `master` or\n`next`, as well as the commit ID with which things have been merged.\n\n> Are there any community-specific questions or expectations we should\n> be aware of?\n\nWe outline the details that should be included in your application at\n[1]. The most important things are:\n\n - Your self-presentation.\n\n - An explanation of the project you want to tackle as well as a\n rough timeline of how you want to tackle it.\n\n - Links to the microprojects / other projects you have done during the\n initial Outreachy phase.\n\nIt is encouraged that you send the proposal/application to the Git\nmailing list so that we can provide feedback on it, which also allows\nyou to iterate on it before the deadline. You can search our mailing\nlist for examples -- most of the recent proposals in the context of GSoC\nfor example had a \"[GSOC][PROPOSAL]\" tag.\n\n[1]: https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/\n\n> How should we go about detailing the project timeline in our application?\n\nWe only expect a very rough timeline here. It should give you enough\nramp-up time to learn about the code area you'll be working in and then\ngive a rough idea for how things will be progressing. I'd recommend to\nnot be overeager -- it is fine if things take time, and Git is not the\nfastest-moving project. Also, account for the time it will take you to\nget knowledgeable in the area.\n\nOf course, that timeline isn't binding at all. It rather serves as a\ndemonstration to us that you understand the project and what subtasks it\ncan be split into.\n\n> Is there anything specific that mentors are looking for in the final\n> application that we should take note of?\n\nIt would be nice if you mentioned anything that could conflict with the\ninternship up front. This includes things like you picking up a new job\nduring the internship, which may limit the time you have available to\nwork on projects.\n\nAnything else should be mentioned in the link provided above, I guess.\n\n> Thank you for your time and guidance!\n\nThanks, and please let me know in case you have further questions!\n\nPatrick\n"},{"id":"505823","messageId":"CAPSxiM9WQMFu+qTgR9LPk9erVUFgPU5tqRBobTomOJhm-hiLAw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"ZxeWDTFHpHmVePdF@pks.im","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Usman Akinyemi","fromEmail":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","sentAt":"2024-10-22T12:54:18Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T12:54:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/86585626?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n>\n> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > Hello,\n> >\n> > I hope you're doing well. As the deadline for the final Outreachy\n> > application is approaching (Oct 29), I had a few questions regarding\n> > submitting the final application, specifically for Git projects:\n> >\n> > Is there a specific way we should record our contributions? For\n> > example, should we include a link to the public mailing list\n> > discussion of a patch?\n>\n> Yes. In order to make it as easy as possible for us mentors I'd suggest\n> to provide a link to every patch series you have sent to the mailing\n> list in the context of Outreachy. It would also help us if you included\n> the current status, e.g. whether it has been merged to `master` or\n> `next`, as well as the commit ID with which things have been merged.\n>\n> > Are there any community-specific questions or expectations we should\n> > be aware of?\n>\n> We outline the details that should be included in your application at\n> [1]. The most important things are:\n>\n> - Your self-presentation.\n>\n> - An explanation of the project you want to tackle as well as a\n> rough timeline of how you want to tackle it.\n>\n> - Links to the microprojects / other projects you have done during the\n> initial Outreachy phase.\n>\n> It is encouraged that you send the proposal/application to the Git\n> mailing list so that we can provide feedback on it, which also allows\n> you to iterate on it before the deadline. You can search our mailing\n> list for examples -- most of the recent proposals in the context of GSoC\n> for example had a \"[GSOC][PROPOSAL]\" tag.\n>\n> [1]: https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/\n>\n> > How should we go about detailing the project timeline in our application?\n>\n> We only expect a very rough timeline here. It should give you enough\n> ramp-up time to learn about the code area you'll be working in and then\n> give a rough idea for how things will be progressing. I'd recommend to\n> not be overeager -- it is fine if things take time, and Git is not the\n> fastest-moving project. Also, account for the time it will take you to\n> get knowledgeable in the area.\n>\n> Of course, that timeline isn't binding at all. It rather serves as a\n> demonstration to us that you understand the project and what subtasks it\n> can be split into.\n>\n> > Is there anything specific that mentors are looking for in the final\n> > application that we should take note of?\n>\n> It would be nice if you mentioned anything that could conflict with the\n> internship up front. This includes things like you picking up a new job\n> during the internship, which may limit the time you have available to\n> work on projects.\n>\n> Anything else should be mentioned in the link provided above, I guess.\n>\n> > Thank you for your time and guidance!\n>\n> Thanks, and please let me know in case you have further questions!\n>\n> Patrick\nHi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a\nkind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of\nquestions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the\napplicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am\nguessing someone should add something like self-presentation in\nanswer to one of the questions as there is not really any question\nasking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about\nprevious experience.\nAlso, anything about applying to two projects ?\n\nI will start working on my final application to get enough feedback.\n\nThank you.\n"},{"id":"505826","messageId":"ZxelBccIFk1aXP3l@pks.im","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"CAPSxiM9WQMFu+qTgR9LPk9erVUFgPU5tqRBobTomOJhm-hiLAw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Patrick Steinhardt","fromEmail":"ps@pks.im","sentAt":"2024-10-22T13:13:47Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T13:13:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ps@pks.im","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/4056630?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a\n> kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of\n> questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the\n> applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am\n> guessing someone should add something like self-presentation in\n> answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question\n> asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about\n> previous experience.\n\nI wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to\nme.\n\n> Also, anything about applying to two projects ?\n\nThat is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the\nfollowing statement:\n\n > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you\n > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.\n\nI'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple\nprojects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple\nyears until your proposal gets accepted.\n\nI've asked internally whteher this is okay and will get back to you once\nI've got an answer.\n\n> I will start working on my final application to get enough feedback.\n\nThanks!\n\nPatrick\n"},{"id":"505827","messageId":"CAPSxiM8bu9LErD8H13_qgb+MV224TbEFzkSr4f74YxEL3Sg7+Q@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"ZxelBccIFk1aXP3l@pks.im","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Usman Akinyemi","fromEmail":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","sentAt":"2024-10-22T13:39:21Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T13:39:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/86585626?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:13 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n>\n> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a\n> > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of\n> > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the\n> > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am\n> > guessing someone should add something like self-presentation in\n> > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question\n> > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about\n> > previous experience.\n>\n> I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to\n> me.\n>\n> > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?\n>\n> That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the\n> following statement:\n>\n> > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you\n> > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.\n>\n> I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple\n> projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple\n> years until your proposal gets accepted.\nApplying to multiple projects is accepted by Outreachy I think, as\nsomeone can submit an application separately for each of the projects\nin a community. I am just curious if Git has anything regarding it.\n\nThanks\nUsman\n>\n> I've asked internally whteher this is okay and will get back to you once\n> I've got an answer.\n>\n> > I will start working on my final application to get enough feedback.\n>\n> Thanks!\n>\n> Patrick\n"},{"id":"505829","messageId":"ZxesG0kk3S7BBMWx@pks.im","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"ZxelBccIFk1aXP3l@pks.im","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Patrick Steinhardt","fromEmail":"ps@pks.im","sentAt":"2024-10-22T13:43:59Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T13:44:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ps@pks.im","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/4056630?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 03:13:52PM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> I've asked internally whteher this is okay and will get back to you once\n> I've got an answer.\n\nQuoting the answer I got:\n\n > Yes applicants are allowed to apply to multiple projects.\n > \n > Though we recommend that applicants contribute to not more than\n > two projects as it can be quite overwhelming to balance\n > contributing to that many projects.\n\nPatrick\n"},{"id":"505830","messageId":"Zxesj10G3bn27d99@pks.im","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"CAPSxiM8bu9LErD8H13_qgb+MV224TbEFzkSr4f74YxEL3Sg7+Q@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Patrick Steinhardt","fromEmail":"ps@pks.im","sentAt":"2024-10-22T13:45:57Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T13:46:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ps@pks.im","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/4056630?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:13 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> >\n> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a\n> > > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of\n> > > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the\n> > > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am\n> > > guessing someone should add something like self-presentation in\n> > > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question\n> > > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about\n> > > previous experience.\n> >\n> > I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to\n> > me.\n> >\n> > > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?\n> >\n> > That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the\n> > following statement:\n> >\n> > > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you\n> > > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.\n> >\n> > I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple\n> > projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple\n> > years until your proposal gets accepted.\n> Applying to multiple projects is accepted by Outreachy I think, as\n> someone can submit an application separately for each of the projects\n> in a community. I am just curious if Git has anything regarding it.\n\nAh, our mails crossed. In any case, I don't think we have anything on\nthis in the Git project. But if you apply to multiple Git projects I'd\nstrongly recommend to state which of those projects you prefer to work\non so that we can make an informed decision here.\n\nPatrick\n"},{"id":"505831","messageId":"CAPSxiM-wn7x1PyXsAvT9n0P=E6jBgieVEswfrFX3kUU-HqyjZQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"Zxesj10G3bn27d99@pks.im","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Usman Akinyemi","fromEmail":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","sentAt":"2024-10-22T13:55:00Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-22T13:55:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"usmanakinyemi202@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/86585626?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:46 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n>\n> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:13 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> > >\n> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:54:18PM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM Patrick Steinhardt wrote:\n> > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:45:14AM +0000, Usman Akinyemi wrote:\n> > > > Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply. As you may know, Outreachy has a\n> > > > kind of form for submitting applications (they have some set of\n> > > > questions someone has to provide answers to)not like GSOC where the\n> > > > applicants do not fill any form for their proposal application. I am\n> > > > guessing someone should add something like self-presentation in\n> > > > answer to one of the questions as there is not really any question\n> > > > asking about someone personally. I think what is near to it is about\n> > > > previous experience.\n> > >\n> > > I wasn't aware :) But agreed, previous experience sounds close enough to\n> > > me.\n> > >\n> > > > Also, anything about applying to two projects ?\n> > >\n> > > That is a good question. The only thing I could find on this was the\n> > > following statement:\n> > >\n> > > > You are welcome to apply to Outreachy multiple times. However, you\n> > > > can only be accepted as an Outreachy intern once.\n> > >\n> > > I'm not a 100% sure whether this means that you can apply to multiple\n> > > projects or whether it means that you can apply to Outreachy multiple\n> > > years until your proposal gets accepted.\n> > Applying to multiple projects is accepted by Outreachy I think, as\n> > someone can submit an application separately for each of the projects\n> > in a community. I am just curious if Git has anything regarding it.\n>\n> Ah, our mails crossed. In any case, I don't think we have anything on\n> this in the Git project. But if you apply to multiple Git projects I'd\n> strongly recommend to state which of those projects you prefer to work\n> on so that we can make an informed decision here.\n>\n> Patrick\nNoted with thanks.\n"},{"id":"506136","messageId":"fde4f324-eb32-4ffe-917d-d9077d11a522@gmail.com","threadId":"62388","inReplyTo":"ZxeWDTFHpHmVePdF@pks.im","subject":"Re: [Outreachy][RFC]: Final Applications expectations.","fromName":"Chizoba ODINAKA","fromEmail":"chizobajames21@gmail.com","sentAt":"2024-10-26T01:04:22Z","receivedAt":"2024-10-26T01:04:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"chizobajames21@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/96120948?v=4"},"body":"Thanks Usman for raise this. And thank Patrick for the clarity.\n\n"}]}