Ubuntu may break Git upstream translations

>
>> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:33:44 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>
>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> El lun 09 dic 2013 15:59:12 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jiang Xin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to contribute to the Spanish translation by fixing a typo
>>>>>> but I can't find the translation. Where is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> All available translations are in "po/" directory of Git, such as
>>>>> po/de.po, po/pt_PT.po, etc. And all l10n teams, maintainers
>>>>>  and locations of the official repositories are listed in "po/TEAMS" file.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't find a Spanish translation either, but there is a Portuguese
>>>>> translation and the maintainer is Marco Sousa.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how much differences between Spanish and Portuguese.
>>>>> Maybe the typo you found is belongs to "po/pt_PT.po"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No way... My "git" is translated into Spanish, that's why it
>>>> surprises me that the translation is not there...
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's your platform? version of your platform? git --version?
>>> And what's the output message (with the typo you found)?
>>> Maybe we could "git grep" in Git source code or google the output
>>> message.
>>>
>> So
>>
>> $ uname -a
>> Linux pantani 3.11.0-14-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 17:07:40 UTC
>> 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
>>
>> $ git --version
>> git version 1.8.3.2
>>
>> $ locale
>> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
>> LANGUAGE=es_ES
>> LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_PAPER="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_NAME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_ADDRESS="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_TELEPHONE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES.UTF-8"
>> LC_ALL=
>>
>> I've downloaded git sources with
>> $ apt-get source git
>> $ apt-get source git-core
>> ...
>>
>> and grep the string, nothing. I've also forked the git repo and grep
>> and nothing either.
>>
>> The message is
>> msgid ""
>> "  (use \"git checkout -- <file>...\" to discard changes in working
>> directory)"
>>
> Oh, and the incorrect message I'm getting is
>
> #   (use «git checkout -- <archivo>...« para descartar cambios en le
> directorio de trabajo)
>
>
> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:45:17 CET, David Rodríguez de Dios escribió:
>

> Hi all,
>
> David find a typo in Spanish translations of Git, and ask me how
> to contribute, because he cannot find Spanish translations in
> Git source code. To my surprise, I cannot find either.
>
> Later I find out that David using Ubuntu (I use debian instead),
> and Ubuntu reinvent the wheel. Ubuntu has its own translation
> platform, and releases Git translations not with Git package
> itself, but releases Git translations in separate language
> specific packages. E.g. Spanish translations on Git is released
> in package "language-pack-es-base". This language specific
> package includes not only Git translations, but also translations
> of over 200 other packages.
>
> URL of Ubuntu translation homepage on Git:
>
> * https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/git/+pots/git
>
> Version of Git in Ubuntu Saucy (13.10) is 1.8.3.2, but obviously
> the translations are based on git v1.8.0 (8 months older than
> v1.8.3.2). That's why even Ubuntu provides git translations
> in 21 different languages, but only 2 of them are 100% translated.
> We (Git upstream) provide Git translations in only 7 languages,
> but 5 of them are 100% translated now.
>
> Without context, it's hard to translate well. And contribute to
> upstream will benefit to more people than contribute to one
> specific Linux distribution.
>
> I cc this mail to Paco, the creator of Spanish translations for
> Git I found in this page:
>
> * https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/git/+pots/git/es/+details
>
> Paco may have interest on David's question.
>
> I also send this mail to Dimitri, the owner of Git translations
> for Ubuntu, for reference.
>
> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:33:44 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>>
>>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> El lun 09 dic 2013 15:59:12 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jiang Xin!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to contribute to the Spanish translation by fixing a typo
>>>>>>> but I can't find the translation. Where is it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All available translations are in "po/" directory of Git, such as
>>>>>> po/de.po, po/pt_PT.po, etc. And all l10n teams, maintainers
>>>>>>   and locations of the official repositories are listed in "po/TEAMS" file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find a Spanish translation either, but there is a Portuguese
>>>>>> translation and the maintainer is Marco Sousa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how much differences between Spanish and Portuguese.
>>>>>> Maybe the typo you found is belongs to "po/pt_PT.po"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No way... My "git" is translated into Spanish, that's why it
>>>>> surprises me that the translation is not there...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's your platform? version of your platform? git --version?
>>>> And what's the output message (with the typo you found)?
>>>> Maybe we could "git grep" in Git source code or google the output
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>> So
>>>
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Linux pantani 3.11.0-14-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 17:07:40 UTC
>>> 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> $ git --version
>>> git version 1.8.3.2
>>>
>>> $ locale
>>> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
>>> LANGUAGE=es_ES
>>> LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_PAPER="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_NAME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_ADDRESS="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_TELEPHONE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_ALL=
>>>
>>> I've downloaded git sources with
>>> $ apt-get source git
>>> $ apt-get source git-core
>>> ...
>>>
>>> and grep the string, nothing. I've also forked the git repo and grep
>>> and nothing either.
>>>
>>> The message is
>>> msgid ""
>>> "  (use \"git checkout -- <file>...\" to discard changes in working
>>> directory)"
>>>
>> Oh, and the incorrect message I'm getting is
>>
>> #   (use «git checkout -- <archivo>...« para descartar cambios en le
>> directorio de trabajo)
>>
>>
>> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:45:17 CET, David Rodríguez de Dios escribió:
>>
>
> --
> Jiang Xin

> Hi all,
>
> David find a typo in Spanish translations of Git, and ask me how
> to contribute, because he cannot find Spanish translations in
> Git source code. To my surprise, I cannot find either.
>
> Later I find out that David using Ubuntu (I use debian instead),
> and Ubuntu reinvent the wheel. Ubuntu has its own translation
> platform, and releases Git translations not with Git package
> itself, but releases Git translations in separate language
> specific packages. E.g. Spanish translations on Git is released
> in package "language-pack-es-base". This language specific
> package includes not only Git translations, but also translations
> of over 200 other packages.
>
> URL of Ubuntu translation homepage on Git:
>
> * https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/git/+pots/git
>
> Version of Git in Ubuntu Saucy (13.10) is 1.8.3.2, but obviously
> the translations are based on git v1.8.0 (8 months older than
> v1.8.3.2). That's why even Ubuntu provides git translations
> in 21 different languages, but only 2 of them are 100% translated.
> We (Git upstream) provide Git translations in only 7 languages,
> but 5 of them are 100% translated now.
>
> Without context, it's hard to translate well. And contribute to
> upstream will benefit to more people than contribute to one
> specific Linux distribution.
>
> I cc this mail to Paco, the creator of Spanish translations for
> Git I found in this page:
>
> * https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/git/+pots/git/es/+details
>
> Paco may have interest on David's question.
>
> I also send this mail to Dimitri, the owner of Git translations
> for Ubuntu, for reference.
>

> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:33:44 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>>
>>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> El lun 09 dic 2013 15:59:12 CET, Jiang Xin escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/12/9 David Rodríguez de Dios <deivid.rodriguez@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jiang Xin!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to contribute to the Spanish translation by fixing a typo
>>>>>>> but I can't find the translation. Where is it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All available translations are in "po/" directory of Git, such as
>>>>>> po/de.po, po/pt_PT.po, etc. And all l10n teams, maintainers
>>>>>>  and locations of the official repositories are listed in "po/TEAMS" file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find a Spanish translation either, but there is a Portuguese
>>>>>> translation and the maintainer is Marco Sousa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how much differences between Spanish and Portuguese.
>>>>>> Maybe the typo you found is belongs to "po/pt_PT.po"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No way... My "git" is translated into Spanish, that's why it
>>>>> surprises me that the translation is not there...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's your platform? version of your platform? git --version?
>>>> And what's the output message (with the typo you found)?
>>>> Maybe we could "git grep" in Git source code or google the output
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>> So
>>>
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Linux pantani 3.11.0-14-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 17:07:40 UTC
>>> 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> $ git --version
>>> git version 1.8.3.2
>>>
>>> $ locale
>>> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
>>> LANGUAGE=es_ES
>>> LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_PAPER="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_NAME="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_ADDRESS="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_TELEPHONE="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES.UTF-8"
>>> LC_ALL=
>>>
>>> I've downloaded git sources with
>>> $ apt-get source git
>>> $ apt-get source git-core
>>> ...
>>>
>>> and grep the string, nothing. I've also forked the git repo and grep
>>> and nothing either.
>>>
>>> The message is
>>> msgid ""
>>> "  (use \"git checkout -- <file>...\" to discard changes in working
>>> directory)"
>>>
>> Oh, and the incorrect message I'm getting is
>>
>> #   (use «git checkout -- <archivo>...« para descartar cambios en le
>> directorio de trabajo)
>>
>>
>> El lun 09 dic 2013 16:45:17 CET, David Rodríguez de Dios escribió:
>>
>
> --
> Jiang Xin

> Hello all,
>
> Ubuntu is a distribution which does have a wide variety of users.
> Typically users use stable releases, or even LTS releases (every 2
> years). Given different schedules across all projects, naturally
> Ubuntu ships a snapshots across all packages available at the time. On
> the other hand our users and translators expect to be able
> continuously improve & provide translations across a wide snapshot of
> packages. Therefore in the beginning of the Ubuntu project
> translations from all core packages (those that are in the "main"
> portion of the archive) were imported into the launchpad translation
> component. Ubuntu translation teams can update translations using the
> web interface, contributing from one string or all of them. All new
> translations done in launchpad, are done under permissive BSD license
> and are shared across the infrastructure, such that translators get
> helpful suggestions and don't have translate the same term over again
> (and/or different from how it's used across the operating system).
> These translations do not require one to know version control systems,
> upstream, mailing lists. But those translation updates are pushed out
> automatically to the users at point releases (or more often, if
> manually triggered). You can see the translation statistics for Ubuntu
> 12.04 LTS at [1]
>
> All of these translations are done in good faith. Or at times by
> frustrated users that cannot see something in their own language and
> can't take for an answer "contribute upstream, wait for new release,
> wait for that to be packaged & upgrade to new release to get them".
>

> Naturally, maintenance cost of translations downstream is significant.
> And where possible we do try to redirect translators upstream. E.g.
> there are good translators links / cooperation to Debian (package
> descriptions, debconf question templates), d-i, GNOME, etc.
>
> In an ideal world there would be enough community developer to manual
> handle all new translations and redirect / introduce them to
> upstreams. Unfortunately that is not the case. And on behalf of the
> Ubuntu project, I do apologize for any inconvenience caused. But
> please do, try to understand the distribution perspective on the
> overall problem with localisation and internationalization.
>