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5 messages between Dec 31, 2012 and Jan 8, 2013.

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Johannes Schindelin· Dec 31, 2012, 17:08 UTC · lore
Hi Rupert,
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, rupert THURNER wrote:
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> ich hab gesehen, du bist ober-meister des kernle.org git wikis. da
> gibt es ganz schön viel neue user und spam derzeit, zb:
> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bridgetevans0521&redirect=no
> 
> möchtest du das erzeugen von user accounts erschweren, wie zb hier:
> http://kiwix.org/index.php/Special:UserLogin?type=signup&returnto=Main_Page/en
> 
> falls du noch leute als admin haben willst, ich melde mich freiwillig,
> ThurnerRupert ist mein account.

Since my trustworthiness was questioned, I have stopped completely with the maintenance of the Wiki.

The mailing list (Cc:ed) may have additional comments.

Ciao, Johannes

rupert THURNER· Jan 4, 2013, 23:19 UTC · re: Johannes Schindelin · lore
2012/12/31 Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>:
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> Hi Rupert,
>
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, rupert THURNER wrote:
>
>> ich hab gesehen, du bist ober-meister des kernle.org git wikis. da
>> gibt es ganz schön viel neue user und spam derzeit, zb:
>> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bridgetevans0521&redirect=no
>>
>> möchtest du das erzeugen von user accounts erschweren, wie zb hier:
>> http://kiwix.org/index.php/Special:UserLogin?type=signup&returnto=Main_Page/en
>>
>> falls du noch leute als admin haben willst, ich melde mich freiwillig,
>> ThurnerRupert ist mein account.
>
> Since my trustworthiness was questioned, I have stopped completely with
> the maintenance of the Wiki.
>
> The mailing list (Cc:ed) may have additional comments.
there are 3 admins:
* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/KorgWikiSysop,
last contribution january 2010
* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Warthog9,
last contribution august 2010
* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Dscho,
last contribution august 2010

and you were (by far) the most active. this leaves me a little confused. who would be then be responsible? who would be responsible for upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?

rupert.
Johannes Schindelin· Jan 4, 2013, 23:27 UTC · re: rupert THURNER · lore
Hi Rupert,
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, rupert THURNER wrote:
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> 2012/12/31 Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>:
> there are 3 admins:
> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/KorgWikiSysop,
> last contribution january 2010
> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Warthog9,
> last contribution august 2010
> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Dscho,
> last contribution august 2010
> 
> and you were (by far) the most active.

I was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep the spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to discredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I got the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and stopped.

> this leaves me a little confused. who would be then be responsible? who
> would be responsible for upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?
That would be John Hawley.

Ciao, Dscho

Theodore Ts'o· Jan 4, 2013, 23:47 UTC · re: Johannes Schindelin · lore
On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 12:27:12AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
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> 
> I was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep
> the spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to
> discredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I
> got the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and
> stopped.
> 
> > this leaves me a little confused. who would be then be responsible? who
> > would be responsible for upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?
> 
> That would be John Hawley.

John is one of the Linux Foundation staff members that are responsible for the system administration of wiki.kernel.org (and kernel.org, and bugzilla.kernel.org, etc.) They are *not* responsible for the contents of the *.wiki.kernel.org; someone from the project has to be the wiki maintainer.

(Note: the *.wiki.kernel.org infrastructure was originally set up at my request, and the first such hosted wiki was ext4.wiki.kernel.org; the second was rt.wiki.kernel.org, for which I was also the primary wiki administrator initially. I'm confident the policy on this hasn't changed since those early days because LF sysadmins (e.g., John and Konstantin) do *not* have time to police the various wikis for spam....)

	      	    	      	 - Ted
porpen+git@gmail.com· Jan 8, 2013, 03:39 UTC · re: Theodore Ts'o · lore
On 4 January 2013 23:47, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 12:27:12AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
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>> I was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep
>> the spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to
>> discredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I
>> got the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and
>> stopped.
> changed since those early days because LF sysadmins (e.g., John and
> Konstantin) do *not* have time to police the various wikis for
> spam....)

Based on the proliferation of new users listed in some "recent changes" pages, the account registration step needs a captcha test. Perhaps some other limits too.. one new account per ip per day or whatever.. (edu domains excepted perhaps) :) (the explosion of users seem to have started back in mid 2010 or so.)

No human could keep up with unrestricted automated spamming from the internet that isn't filtered in any way. Human efforts to remove the spam will always result in a false positive from time to time and is simple mistake to make. Automated efforts to remove spam will DEFINATELY result in false positives too.. but you won't find a computer that graciously says "sorry about that" when it happens.

IMHO.. a big thanks to Johannes for keeping the beasts at bay, I'm sure it would have been MUCH worse with nobody cleaning the mess up.

Cheers! -phil

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