{"thread":{"id":"32485","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","startedAt":"2012-12-31T17:08:09Z","lastAt":"2013-01-08T03:39:06Z","messageCount":5,"participants":["Johannes Schindelin","rupert THURNER","Theodore Ts'o","porpen+git@gmail.com"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"205697","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1212311806080.32206@s15462909.onlinehome-server.info","threadId":"32485","inReplyTo":"CAJs9aZ_Nu9PzYYLc55Lr8E+UefohK+pSUbF5i8Lu4V_gr2KHPw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2012-12-31T17:08:09Z","receivedAt":"2012-12-31T17:08:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi Rupert,\n\nOn Sat, 29 Dec 2012, rupert THURNER wrote:\n\n> ich hab gesehen, du bist ober-meister des kernle.org git wikis. da\n> gibt es ganz schön viel neue user und spam derzeit, zb:\n> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bridgetevans0521&redirect=no\n> \n> möchtest du das erzeugen von user accounts erschweren, wie zb hier:\n> http://kiwix.org/index.php/Special:UserLogin?type=signup&returnto=Main_Page/en\n> \n> falls du noch leute als admin haben willst, ich melde mich freiwillig,\n> ThurnerRupert ist mein account.\n\nSince my trustworthiness was questioned, I have stopped completely with\nthe maintenance of the Wiki.\n\nThe mailing list (Cc:ed) may have additional comments.\n\nCiao,\nJohannes"},{"id":"205988","messageId":"CAJs9aZ_eL1jR=GqxUEy3vEWbMz6kEYOHb7pZkZWFh6yXXSx-Jg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"32485","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1212311806080.32206@s15462909.onlinehome-server.info","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","fromName":"rupert THURNER","fromEmail":"rupert.thurner@gmail.com","sentAt":"2013-01-04T23:19:25Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-04T23:19:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"rupert.thurner@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"2012/12/31 Johannes Schindelin :\n> Hi Rupert,\n>\n> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, rupert THURNER wrote:\n>\n>> ich hab gesehen, du bist ober-meister des kernle.org git wikis. da\n>> gibt es ganz schön viel neue user und spam derzeit, zb:\n>> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bridgetevans0521&redirect=no\n>>\n>> möchtest du das erzeugen von user accounts erschweren, wie zb hier:\n>> http://kiwix.org/index.php/Special:UserLogin?type=signup&returnto=Main_Page/en\n>>\n>> falls du noch leute als admin haben willst, ich melde mich freiwillig,\n>> ThurnerRupert ist mein account.\n>\n> Since my trustworthiness was questioned, I have stopped completely with\n> the maintenance of the Wiki.\n>\n> The mailing list (Cc:ed) may have additional comments.\n\nthere are 3 admins:\n* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/KorgWikiSysop,\nlast contribution january 2010\n* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Warthog9,\nlast contribution august 2010\n* https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Dscho,\nlast contribution august 2010\n\nand you were (by far) the most active. this leaves me a little\nconfused. who would be then be responsible? who would be responsible\nfor upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?\n\nrupert.\n"},{"id":"205990","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1301050022000.32206@s15462909.onlinehome-server.info","threadId":"32485","inReplyTo":"CAJs9aZ_eL1jR=GqxUEy3vEWbMz6kEYOHb7pZkZWFh6yXXSx-Jg@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2013-01-04T23:27:12Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-04T23:27:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi Rupert,\n\nOn Sat, 5 Jan 2013, rupert THURNER wrote:\n\n> 2012/12/31 Johannes Schindelin :\n> there are 3 admins:\n> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/KorgWikiSysop,\n> last contribution january 2010\n> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Warthog9,\n> last contribution august 2010\n> * https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Dscho,\n> last contribution august 2010\n> \n> and you were (by far) the most active.\n\nI was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep\nthe spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to\ndiscredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I\ngot the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and\nstopped.\n\n> this leaves me a little confused. who would be then be responsible? who\n> would be responsible for upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?\n\nThat would be John Hawley.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"205992","messageId":"20130104234759.GC6501@thunk.org","threadId":"32485","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1301050022000.32206@s15462909.onlinehome-server.info","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","fromName":"Theodore Ts'o","fromEmail":"tytso@mit.edu","sentAt":"2013-01-04T23:47:59Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-04T23:47:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tytso@mit.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/51416?v=4"},"body":"On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 12:27:12AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> I was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep\n> the spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to\n> discredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I\n> got the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and\n> stopped.\n> \n> > this leaves me a little confused. who would be then be responsible? who\n> > would be responsible for upgrading / installing anything at the wiki?\n> \n> That would be John Hawley.\n\nJohn is one of the Linux Foundation staff members that are responsible\nfor the system administration of wiki.kernel.org (and kernel.org, and\nbugzilla.kernel.org, etc.) They are *not* responsible for the\ncontents of the *.wiki.kernel.org; someone from the project has to be\nthe wiki maintainer.\n\n(Note: the *.wiki.kernel.org infrastructure was originally set up at\nmy request, and the first such hosted wiki was ext4.wiki.kernel.org;\nthe second was rt.wiki.kernel.org, for which I was also the primary\nwiki administrator initially. I'm confident the policy on this hasn't\nchanged since those early days because LF sysadmins (e.g., John and\nKonstantin) do *not* have time to police the various wikis for\nspam....)\n\n\t \t \t \t - Ted\n"},{"id":"206263","messageId":"CAANzHtQ5bwBTiWZ=3Ctbdo52UUcfon-V-naBB3BxDn6iQXF_Xg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"32485","inReplyTo":"20130104234759.GC6501@thunk.org","subject":"Re: git.wiki.kernel.org spam ...","fromName":"","fromEmail":"porpen+git@gmail.com","sentAt":"2013-01-08T03:39:06Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-08T03:39:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"porpen+git@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 4 January 2013 23:47, Theodore Ts'o wrote:\n> On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 12:27:12AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n>> I was. John Hawley trusted me when I asked for admin privileges to keep\n>> the spam at bay, but a very vocal voice on the mailing list tried to\n>> discredit my work, and in the wake of the ensuing mailing list thread I\n>> got the impression that that feeling was universal, so I abided and\n>> stopped.\n\n> changed since those early days because LF sysadmins (e.g., John and\n> Konstantin) do *not* have time to police the various wikis for\n> spam....)\n\nBased on the proliferation of new users listed in some \"recent\nchanges\" pages, the account registration step needs a captcha test.\nPerhaps some other limits too.. one new account per ip per day or\nwhatever.. (edu domains excepted perhaps) :)\n(the explosion of users seem to have started back in mid 2010 or so.)\n\nNo human could keep up with unrestricted automated spamming from the\ninternet that isn't filtered in any way. Human efforts to remove the\nspam will always result in a false positive from time to time and is\nsimple mistake to make. Automated efforts to remove spam will\nDEFINATELY result in false positives too.. but you won't find a\ncomputer that graciously says \"sorry about that\" when it happens.\n\nIMHO.. a big thanks to Johannes for keeping the beasts at bay, I'm\nsure it would have been MUCH worse with nobody cleaning the mess up.\n\nCheers!\n-phil\n"}]}