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German translation of git man pages

Subject: German translation of git man pages

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8 messages between Jul 30, 2008 and Aug 4, 2008.

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Fabio Scotoni· Jul 30, 2008, 08:53 UTC · lore
Hello,

I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some of my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use git-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and we lost the history two times.

Our native language is german and they don't like to read english documentation. I already started translating but have some problems: Should i translate "branch" with the appropriate german word or keep it english? This is a Problem for "pull" "push" and the other actions as well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very esthetical.

And would there be interest in this project?

With best regards, Fabio Scotoni

Stephen R. van den Berg· Jul 30, 2008, 11:06 UTC · re: Fabio Scotoni · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

Fabio Scotoni wrote:
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>Our native language is german and they don't like to read english
>documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:
>Should i translate "branch" with the appropriate german word or keep it
>english? This is a Problem for "pull" "push" and the other actions as
>well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very
>esthetical.

A good translation will translate those words. However, since the commandline interface uses the English words, you'll be forced to re-explain that relationship a lot of times (using parenthesis, most likely).

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           Stephen R. van den Berg.

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Mark Struberg· Jul 30, 2008, 11:21 UTC · re: Stephen R. van den Berg · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

My personal opinion: don't translate termini technici in technical documentations, but add a translated explanation of each in the preamble.

I've never read any german book or comment where e.g. 'a commit' has been translated to 'das Uebergebene'... (Reminds me of some old Siemens BS2000 mainfraims back in the 80s. They translated really ALL terms to german, which was frankly completely unreadable)

LieGrü, strub

--- Stephen R. van den Berg <srb@cuci.nl> schrieb am Mi, 30.7.2008:
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> Von: Stephen R. van den Berg <srb@cuci.nl>
> Betreff: Re: German translation of git man pages
> An: "Fabio Scotoni" <fabio@esse.ch>
> CC: git@vger.kernel.org
> Datum: Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008, 13:06
> Fabio Scotoni wrote:
> >Our native language is german and they don't like
> to read english
> >documentation. I already started translating but have
> some problems:
> >Should i translate "branch" with the
> appropriate german word or keep it
> >english? This is a Problem for "pull"
> "push" and the other actions as
> >well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but
> that isn't very
> >esthetical.
> 
> A good translation will translate those words.  However,
> since the
> commandline interface uses the English words, you'll be
> forced to
> re-explain that relationship a lot of times (using
> parenthesis, most
> likely).
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Matthias Kestenholz· Jul 30, 2008, 11:55 UTC · re: Fabio Scotoni · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:53 +0200, Fabio Scotoni wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some
> of my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use
> git-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and
> we lost the history two times.
> 
> Our native language is german and they don't like to read english
> documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:
> Should i translate "branch" with the appropriate german word or keep it
> english? This is a Problem for "pull" "push" and the other actions as
> well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very
> esthetical.

There was a long discussion some months ago on this list concering the localization of git-gui into german. Maybe you'll find some inspiration here:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/de.po;hb=HEAD

It would probably be very worthwile to follow the translations there because users of git-gui will feel at home at once instead of having to re-learn things.

Matthias
Stephan Beyer· Jul 30, 2008, 12:25 UTC · re: Matthias Kestenholz · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

Hi,
Matthias Kestenholz wrote:
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> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:53 +0200, Fabio Scotoni wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some
> > of my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use
> > git-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and
> > we lost the history two times.
> > 
> > Our native language is german and they don't like to read english
> > documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:
> > Should i translate "branch" with the appropriate german word or keep it
> > english? This is a Problem for "pull" "push" and the other actions as
> > well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very
> > esthetical.
> 
> There was a long discussion some months ago on this list concering the
> localization of git-gui into german.

The link is: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/80936/focus=81031

The selected mail also has two further pointers with some discussion.
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> Maybe you'll find some inspiration here:
> http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/de.po;hb=HEAD
> 
> It would probably be very worthwile to follow the translations there
> because users of git-gui will feel at home at once instead of having to
> re-learn things.

The glossary may also be a good help: http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/glossary/de.po

Regards.
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Stephan Beyer· Jul 30, 2008, 12:33 UTC · re: Fabio Scotoni · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

Hi,
Fabio Scotoni wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german,
[...]
> And would there be interest in this project?

Yes, I think your work can benefit the German git users that are like your colleagues or that do not understand English properly.

So even if localized manual pages won't be included into git, there may be some Linux distributions that include them.

Regards,
  Stephan
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Fabio Scotoni· Aug 3, 2008, 17:26 UTC · re: Fabio Scotoni · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

Hello,

I ran into another problem: Should i write something like "translated by Fabio Scotoni <fabio@esse.ch>" in the Author-Part of the man pages, or just translate it without any note (It wouldn't be a problem for me)?

With best regards, Fabio Scotoni

Stephan Beyer· Aug 4, 2008, 18:43 UTC · re: Fabio Scotoni · lore

Re: German translation of git man pages

Hi,
Fabio Scotoni wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> I ran into another problem: Should i write something like "translated by
> Fabio Scotoni <fabio@esse.ch>" in the Author-Part of the man pages, or
> just translate it without any note (It wouldn't be a problem for me)?

I do not see a reason why this could be forbidden ;-) I think this is your decision.

If you write "translated by ...", people see that you are the original author and then it could happen that you get patches for that.

If translated manual pages get included into git (I really don't know), then it may be useful if you write "translated by Fabio Scotoni <fabio@esse.ch> and the Git list <git@vger.kernel.org>" (or "... and the git-list <git@vger.kernel.org>", as it can be found for the authorship in the Documentation/ files.

Regards,
  Stephan
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