{"thread":{"id":"14756","subject":"German translation of git man pages","startedAt":"2008-07-30T08:53:32Z","lastAt":"2008-08-04T18:43:38Z","messageCount":8,"participants":["Fabio Scotoni","Stephen R. van den Berg","Mark Struberg","Matthias Kestenholz","Stephan Beyer"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"85595","messageId":"1217408012.9486.13.camel@hydra.esse.ch","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Fabio Scotoni","fromEmail":"fabio@esse.ch","sentAt":"2008-07-30T08:53:32Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T08:53:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"fabio@esse.ch","avatar":null},"body":"Hello,\n\nI'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some\nof my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use\ngit-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and\nwe lost the history two times.\n\nOur native language is german and they don't like to read english\ndocumentation. I already started translating but have some problems:\nShould i translate \"branch\" with the appropriate german word or keep it\nenglish? This is a Problem for \"pull\" \"push\" and the other actions as\nwell. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very\nesthetical.\n\nAnd would there be interest in this project?\n\nWith best regards,\nFabio Scotoni\n"},{"id":"85596","messageId":"20080730110602.GB20957@cuci.nl","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"1217408012.9486.13.camel@hydra.esse.ch","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Stephen R. van den Berg","fromEmail":"srb@cuci.nl","sentAt":"2008-07-30T11:06:02Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T11:06:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srb@cuci.nl","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/f75389059e827634d38e9df2a9b6ecbd50028b5a454442efa1c7205b7ff29c6a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Fabio Scotoni wrote:\n>Our native language is german and they don't like to read english\n>documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:\n>Should i translate \"branch\" with the appropriate german word or keep it\n>english? This is a Problem for \"pull\" \"push\" and the other actions as\n>well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very\n>esthetical.\n\nA good translation will translate those words. However, since the\ncommandline interface uses the English words, you'll be forced to\nre-explain that relationship a lot of times (using parenthesis, most\nlikely).\n-- \nSincerely,\n Stephen R. van den Berg.\n\nHow many weeks are there in a lightyear?\n"},{"id":"85597","messageId":"969890.11742.qm@web27801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"20080730110602.GB20957@cuci.nl","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Mark Struberg","fromEmail":"struberg@yahoo.de","sentAt":"2008-07-30T11:21:12Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T11:21:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"struberg@yahoo.de","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/119742c3e8dbc8db35a92bdff0581aec8d364d415f770e60431cba262daa974f?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"\nMy personal opinion:\ndon't translate termini technici in technical documentations, but add a translated explanation of each in the preamble.\n\nI've never read any german book or comment where e.g. 'a commit' has been translated to 'das Uebergebene'... \n(Reminds me of some old Siemens BS2000 mainfraims back in the 80s. They translated really ALL terms to german, which was frankly completely unreadable)\n\nLieGrü,\nstrub\n\n--- Stephen R. van den Berg schrieb am Mi, 30.7.2008:\n\n> Von: Stephen R. van den Berg \n> Betreff: Re: German translation of git man pages\n> An: \"Fabio Scotoni\" \n> CC: git@vger.kernel.org\n> Datum: Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008, 13:06\n> Fabio Scotoni wrote:\n> >Our native language is german and they don't like\n> to read english\n> >documentation. I already started translating but have\n> some problems:\n> >Should i translate \"branch\" with the\n> appropriate german word or keep it\n> >english? This is a Problem for \"pull\"\n> \"push\" and the other actions as\n> >well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but\n> that isn't very\n> >esthetical.\n> \n> A good translation will translate those words. However,\n> since the\n> commandline interface uses the English words, you'll be\n> forced to\n> re-explain that relationship a lot of times (using\n> parenthesis, most\n> likely).\n\n\n __________________________________________________________\nGesendet von Yahoo! Mail.\nDem pfiffigeren Posteingang.\nhttp://de.overview.mail.yahoo.com\n"},{"id":"85600","messageId":"1217418938.6924.2.camel@localhost","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"1217408012.9486.13.camel@hydra.esse.ch","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Matthias Kestenholz","fromEmail":"mk@spinlock.ch","sentAt":"2008-07-30T11:55:38Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T11:55:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"matthias@spinlock.ch","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/bc18f396e70163d09ab458a341b1decb7e8b6ee3aa2c0c954ec20162e67c4d46?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:53 +0200, Fabio Scotoni wrote:\n> Hello,\n> \n> I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some\n> of my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use\n> git-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and\n> we lost the history two times.\n> \n> Our native language is german and they don't like to read english\n> documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:\n> Should i translate \"branch\" with the appropriate german word or keep it\n> english? This is a Problem for \"pull\" \"push\" and the other actions as\n> well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very\n> esthetical.\n\nThere was a long discussion some months ago on this list concering the\nlocalization of git-gui into german. Maybe you'll find some inspiration\nhere:\n\nhttp://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/de.po;hb=HEAD\n\nIt would probably be very worthwile to follow the translations there\nbecause users of git-gui will feel at home at once instead of having to\nre-learn things.\n\nMatthias\n"},{"id":"85607","messageId":"20080730122510.GD8767@leksak.fem-net","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"1217418938.6924.2.camel@localhost","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Stephan Beyer","fromEmail":"s-beyer@gmx.net","sentAt":"2008-07-30T12:25:10Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T12:25:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"s-beyer@gmx.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/143889?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nMatthias Kestenholz wrote:\n> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:53 +0200, Fabio Scotoni wrote:\n> > Hello,\n> > \n> > I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german, as some\n> > of my co-developers want to stick with svn. Of course, I could use\n> > git-svn, but it's not what i want. Our svn server crashed two times and\n> > we lost the history two times.\n> > \n> > Our native language is german and they don't like to read english\n> > documentation. I already started translating but have some problems:\n> > Should i translate \"branch\" with the appropriate german word or keep it\n> > english? This is a Problem for \"pull\" \"push\" and the other actions as\n> > well. Basically it's possible to copy words, but that isn't very\n> > esthetical.\n> \n> There was a long discussion some months ago on this list concering the\n> localization of git-gui into german.\n\nThe link is:\nhttp://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/80936/focus=81031\n\nThe selected mail also has two further pointers with some discussion.\n\n> Maybe you'll find some inspiration here:\n> http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/de.po;hb=HEAD\n> \n> It would probably be very worthwile to follow the translations there\n> because users of git-gui will feel at home at once instead of having to\n> re-learn things.\n\nThe glossary may also be a good help:\nhttp://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=blob;f=git-gui/po/glossary/de.po\n\nRegards.\n\n-- \nStephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F\n"},{"id":"85608","messageId":"20080730123356.GE8767@leksak.fem-net","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"1217408012.9486.13.camel@hydra.esse.ch","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Stephan Beyer","fromEmail":"s-beyer@gmx.net","sentAt":"2008-07-30T12:33:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-30T12:33:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"s-beyer@gmx.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/143889?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nFabio Scotoni wrote:\n> Hello,\n> \n> I'm currently trying to translate the git man pages into german,\n[...]\n> And would there be interest in this project?\n\nYes, I think your work can benefit the German git users that are like\nyour colleagues or that do not understand English properly.\n\nSo even if localized manual pages won't be included into git, there may\nbe some Linux distributions that include them.\n\nRegards,\n Stephan\n\n-- \nStephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F\n"},{"id":"86088","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.10.0808031924490.13351@hydra.esse.ch","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"1217408012.9486.13.camel@hydra.esse.ch","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Fabio Scotoni","fromEmail":"fabio@esse.ch","sentAt":"2008-08-03T17:26:33Z","receivedAt":"2008-08-03T17:26:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"fabio@esse.ch","avatar":null},"body":"Hello,\n\nI ran into another problem: Should i write something like \"translated by\nFabio Scotoni \" in the Author-Part of the man pages, or\njust translate it without any note (It wouldn't be a problem for me)?\n\nWith best regards,\nFabio Scotoni\n"},{"id":"86217","messageId":"20080804184338.GA6186@leksak.fem-net","threadId":"14756","inReplyTo":"alpine.LNX.1.10.0808031924490.13351@hydra.esse.ch","subject":"Re: German translation of git man pages","fromName":"Stephan Beyer","fromEmail":"s-beyer@gmx.net","sentAt":"2008-08-04T18:43:38Z","receivedAt":"2008-08-04T18:43:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"s-beyer@gmx.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/143889?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nFabio Scotoni wrote:\n> Hello,\n>\n> I ran into another problem: Should i write something like \"translated by\n> Fabio Scotoni \" in the Author-Part of the man pages, or\n> just translate it without any note (It wouldn't be a problem for me)?\n\nI do not see a reason why this could be forbidden ;-)\nI think this is your decision.\n\nIf you write \"translated by ...\", people see that you are the original\nauthor and then it could happen that you get patches for that.\n\nIf translated manual pages get included into git (I really don't know),\nthen it may be useful if you write \"translated by Fabio Scotoni\n and the Git list \"\n(or \"... and the git-list \", as it can be found\nfor the authorship in the Documentation/ files.\n\nRegards,\n Stephan\n\n-- \nStephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F\n"}]}