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Re: RFC v3: Another proposed hash function transition plan

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Sep 8, 2017, 02:40 UTC
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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
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> One thing I still do not know how I feel about after re-reading the
> thread, and I didn't find the above doc, is Linus's suggestion to
> use the objects themselves as NewHash-to-SHA-1 mapper [*1*].  
> ...
> [Reference]
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> *1* <CA+55aFxj7Vtwac64RfAz_u=U4tob4Xg+2pDBDFNpJdmgaTCmxA@mail.gmail.com>

I think this falls into the same category as the often-talked-about addition of the "generation number" field. It is very tempting to add these "mechanically derivable but expensive to compute" pieces of information to the sha3-content while converting from sha1-content and creating anew.

Because the "sha1-name" or the "generation number" can mechanically be computed, as long as everybody agrees to _always_ place them in the sha3-content, the same sha1-content will be converted into exactly the same sha3-content without ambiguity, and converting them back to sha1-content while pushing to an older repository will correctly produce the original sha1-content, as it would just be the matter of simply stripping these extra pieces of information.

The reason why I still feel a bit uneasy about adding these things (aside from the fact that sha1-name thing will be a baggage we would need to carry forever even after we completely wean ourselves off of the old hash) is because I am not sure what we should do when we encounter sha3-content in the wild that has these things _wrong_. An object that exists today in the SHA-1 world is fetched into the new repository and converted to SHA-3 contents, and Linus's extra "original SHA-1 name" field is added to the object's header while recording the SHA-3 content. But for whatever reason, the original SHA-1 name is recorded incorrectly in the resulting SHA-3 object.

The same thing could happen if we decide to bake "generation number" in the SHA-3 commit objects. One possible definition would be that a root commit will have gen #0; a commit with 1 or more parents will get max(parents' gen numbers) + 1 as its gen number. But somebody may botch the counting and records sum(parents' gen numbers) as its gen number.

In these cases, not just the SHA3-content but also the resulting SHA-3 object name would be different from the name of the object that would have recorded the same contents correctly. So converting back to SHA-1 world from these botched SHA-3 contents may produce the original contents, but we may end up with multiple "plausibly looking" set of SHA-3 objects that (clain to) correspond to a single SHA-1 object, only one of which is a valid one.

Our "git fsck" already treats certain brokenness (like a tree whose entry has mode that is 0-padded to the left) as broken but still tolerate them. I am not sure if it is sufficient to diagnose and declare broken and invalid when we see sha3-content that records these "mechanically derivable but expensive to compute" pieces of information incorrectly.

I am leaning towards saying "yes, catching in fsck is enough" and suggesting to add generation number to sha3-content of the commit objects, and to add even the "original sha1 name" thing if we find good use of it. But I cannot shake this nagging feeling off that I am missing some huge problems that adding these fields and opening ourselves to more classes of broken objects.

Thoughts?
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  19. Jonathan NiederJun 16, 2017
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  23. Mike HommeyJun 15, 2017
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  25. Brandon WilliamsJun 15, 2017
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  31. Jeff KingMar 10, 2017
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  66. Johannes SchindelinSep 26, 2017
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  80. Johannes SchindelinSep 14, 2017
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  82. Johannes SchindelinSep 14, 2017
  83. Junio C HamanoSep 13, 2017
  84. Jonathan NiederSep 13, 2017
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  87. Brandon WilliamsSep 14, 2017
  88. Jonathan NiederSep 14, 2017
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  92. Mike HommeyMar 7, 2017
  93. Jeff KingMar 6, 2017
  94. Junio C HamanoMar 6, 2017
  95. Jonathan TanMar 6, 2017
  96. Linus TorvaldsMar 6, 2017
  97. Brandon WilliamsMar 6, 2017
  98. Junio C HamanoMar 6, 2017
  99. Jeff KingMar 7, 2017
  100. Ian JacksonMar 7, 2017
  101. Linus TorvaldsMar 7, 2017
  102. Ian JacksonMar 8, 2017
  103. Johannes SchindelinMar 8, 2017
  104. Johannes SchindelinMar 8, 2017
  105. Use base32?Jason Hennessey, Mar 20, 2017
  106. Michael SteuerMar 20, 2017
  107. Jacob KellerMar 20, 2017
  108. Michael SteuerMar 21, 2017
  109. The Keccak TeamMar 13, 2017
  110. Jonathan NiederMar 13, 2017
  111. ankostisMar 13, 2017
  112. Johannes SchindelinMar 17, 2017
  113. Jeff KingMar 6, 2017

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