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Re: [DISCUSSION] Growing the Git community

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Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Date
Sep 23, 2019, 21:28 UTC
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Hi Mike,
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, Mike Hommey wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:30:13PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote:
> > During the Virtual Git Contributors' Summit, Dscho brought up the topic of
> > "Inclusion & Diversity". We discussed ideas for how to make the community
> > more welcoming to new contributors of all kinds. Let's discuss some of
> > the ideas we talked about, and some that have been growing since.
> >
> > Feel free to pick apart all of the claims I make below. This is based
> > on my own experience and opinions. It should be a good baseline
> > for us to all arrive with valuable action items.
> >
> > I have CC'd some of the people who were part of that discussion. Sorry
> > if I accidentally left someone out.
> >
> > I. Goals and Perceived Problems
> >
> > As a community, our number one goal is for Git to continue to be the best
> > distributed version control system. At minimum, it should continue to be
> > the most widely-used DVCS. Towards that goal, we need to make sure Git is
> > the best solution for every kind of developer in every industry. The
> > community cannot do this without including developers of all kinds. This
> > means having a diverse community, for all senses of the word: Diverse in
> > physical location, gender, professional status, age, and others.
> >
> > In addition, the community must continue to grow, but members leave the
> > community on a regular basis for multiple reasons. New contributors must
> > join and mature within the community or the community will dwindle. Without
> > dedicating effort and attention to this, natural forces may result in the
> > community being represented only by contributors working at large tech
> > companies focused on the engineering systems of very large groups.
> >
> > It is worth noting that this community growth must never be at the cost
> > of code quality. We must continue to hold all contributors to a high
> > standard so Git stays a stable product.
> >
> > Here are some problems that may exist within the Git community and may
> > form a barrier to new contributors entering:
> >
> > 1. Discovering how to contribute to Git is non-obvious.
> >
> > 2. Submitting to a mailing list is a new experience for most developers.
> >    This includes the full review and discussion process.
> >
> > 3. The high standards for patch quality are intimidating to new contributors.
> >
> > 4. Some people do not feel comfortable engaging in a community without
> >    a clear Code of Conduct. This discomfort is significant and based on real
> >    experiences throughout society.
> >
> > 5. Since Git development happens in a different place than where users
> >     acquire the end product, some are not aware that they can contribute.
>
> 6. Newcomers don't really have any idea /what/ they could contribute.
> They either have to come with their own itch to scratch, or read the
> code to figure out if there's something to fix.

I think this is very related to the "not only open the door, but invite contributors in" idea mentioned upthread.

Speaking from my experience as mentor in particular in Outreachy, it is often not obvious to old-timers in this here project (including myself!) how intimidating even the idea of "scratching your own itch" is, and it can be tremendously helpful to even so much as seeing the problem stated by somebody else first ("Others agree with me! I need not have doubted myself when I ran into this problem, it really is a bug that needs to be fixed!").

Additionally, it is no longer all that easy to come up with an "own itch" to scratch, as the most common workflows work reasonably well in Git. Yet, it seems that some users _still_ want to "give back" by contributing patches. Or they just want to see their name in the next version's announcement mail.

To address both concerns, I started this little experiment a while ago (but announced it only during a Git IRC standup): https://github.com/gitgitgadget/git/issues is open, intended to accumulate possible project ideas. It seems to work reasonably well, there already have been volunteers who picked up on some of those ideas I (and Denton) listed.

Hopefully this issue tracker (together with https://crbug.com/git which targets users more comfortable with that flavor of issue trackers) will help address your bullet point?

Ciao, Dscho

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  3. Emily ShafferSep 19, 2019
  4. Jeff KingSep 19, 2019
  5. Junio C HamanoSep 20, 2019
  6. Garima SinghSep 20, 2019
  7. Junio C HamanoSep 20, 2019
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  15. Klaus SembritzkiSep 20, 2019
  16. Mike HommeySep 19, 2019
  17. Johannes SchindelinSep 23, 2019
  18. Jakub NarebskiOct 1, 2019
  19. Jeff KingSep 19, 2019
  20. Derrick StoleeSep 20, 2019
  21. Jeff KingSep 20, 2019
  22. Elijah NewrenSep 19, 2019
  23. Pierre TardySep 25, 2019
  24. Derrick StoleeSep 25, 2019
  25. Jakub NarebskiOct 4, 2019
  26. Philip OakleySep 25, 2019
  27. Jakub NarebskiOct 4, 2019
  28. Emily ShafferNov 12, 2019
  29. Johannes SchindelinNov 12, 2019
  30. Christian CouderNov 13, 2019
  31. Thomas GummererNov 13, 2019
  32. Emily ShafferNov 14, 2019
  33. Jeff KingNov 14, 2019
  34. Junio C HamanoNov 15, 2019
  35. Pratyush YadavNov 14, 2019
  36. Thomas GummererNov 14, 2019
  37. Philip OakleySep 20, 2019
  38. brian m. carlsonSep 20, 2019
  39. Randall S. BeckerSep 20, 2019
  40. Jakub NarebskiOct 4, 2019
  41. Garima SinghSep 20, 2019
  42. Junio C HamanoSep 20, 2019
  43. Junio C HamanoSep 20, 2019
  44. Derrick StoleeSep 23, 2019
  45. Johannes SchindelinSep 23, 2019

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