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Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer

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Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Date
Apr 4, 2025, 09:41 UTC
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 08:56:01AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 2:13 AM Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> wrote:
> >
> [...]
> > Agreed, change IDs solve a couple of issues that many users face:
> >
> >   - You can reliably track how a patch evolves over time. This helps
> >     various different tools to track identity of commits, like for
> >     example forges, but also tools like git-range-diff(1).
> >
> >   - It becomes trivial to see whether a commit has been cherry-picked
> >     into another branch. We do have git-cherry(1) to do that right now,
> >     but that command is based on heuristics and fails as soon as the
> >     patch itself needed to be adapted.
> >
> >   - Working with history rewrites becomes easier in the general case as
> >     you don't have to adapt to constantly changing commit IDs.
> 
> Could you elaborate?  I agree with the other points you raise, but I'm
> unsure how this helps with a history rewrite.  Do you mean the
> rewriting of history, or someone trying to consume the history
> rewrite?  If the former, I don't see it, and if the latter, didn't you
> already cover that in the two bullets above?  Or is there something
> else you are also getting at?

Yeah, this point wasn't quite clear. It's mostly based around my own findings that I always end up copying a lot of object IDs around while working on rebases. And the most annoying part to me is that those OIDs also change on every rewrite, and as a consequence I always have to look up the rewritten object IDs.

By using change IDs this issue would become easier as I only need to remember one set of constant IDs that don't change on ever rewrite.

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> > So what would it take to get change IDs into Git? I think the most
> > important items would be:
> >
> >   - Generating and writing change IDs in commands that support them.
> >     This includes e.g. git-commit(1), git-commit-tree(1), git-merge(1),
> >     git-merge-tree(1). This should of course be completely optional and
> >     probably be disabled by default.
> >
> >   - Making tools that rewrite commits aware of change IDs so that they
> >     know to retain change IDs. This involves e.g. git-cherry-pick(1),
> >     git-rebase(1), git-replay(1).
> 
> And also git-commit(1) [when passing --amend], and git-fast-export(1)
> and git-fast-import(1) -- though possibly with options for the last
> two to expunge them instead of preserving them, but probably
> defaulting to preserving them.
> 
> However, I think some of these might already handle this.  Commands
> which call read_commit_extra_headers() and pass those along to
> commit_tree_extended() may already preserve these.  It appears commit
> --amend and replay both do this.  sequencer has some code that looks
> relevant, but it appears to only be reading the headers from HEAD (at
> the time the nth commit is being replayed), which seems like it'd be
> looking at the wrong commit.  That might actually be a bug...
Yes, some tools already handle this correctly indeed.
> >   - Extending revisions to allow specifying commits by change ID.
> 
> Would this essentially be similar to <rev>^{/<text>} except searching
> specifically change-id headers rather than commit message?

Yeah, something like that. The exact format for such a new revision would be up for debate, but I quite like the reverse hex format that JJ itself uses as it is unambiguous compared to object IDs. Only problem of course is that it's not unambiguous compared to refnames, so accepting reverse object IDS as-is without any kind of prefix is probably a no-go.

Patrick
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  74. Nico WilliamsApr 23, 2025
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  80. Martin von ZweigbergkApr 23, 2025
  81. Junio C HamanoApr 23, 2025
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  86. Martin von ZweigbergkApr 8, 2025
  87. Junio C HamanoApr 8, 2025
  88. Phillip WoodApr 8, 2025
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  90. Junio C HamanoApr 12, 2025
  91. Jacob KellerApr 16, 2025
  92. Kristoffer HaugsbakkMay 14, 2025
  93. Junio C HamanoApr 8, 2025
  94. Askar SafinAug 19, 2025
  95. Ben KnobleAug 19, 2025
  96. Remo SenekowitschApr 4, 2025
  97. Nico WilliamsApr 4, 2025
  98. Remo SenekowitschApr 4, 2025
  99. Nico WilliamsApr 4, 2025
  100. Remo SenekowitschApr 23, 2025
  101. Nico WilliamsApr 23, 2025
  102. How GitLab does/doesn't need change IDs (was Re: Semantics of change IDs)Toon Claes, Apr 23, 2025
  103. Nico WilliamsApr 23, 2025
  104. D. Ben KnobleMay 10, 2025
  105. D. Ben KnobleMay 10, 2025
  106. Martin von ZweigbergkMay 10, 2025
  107. Junio C HamanoMay 12, 2025
  108. Martin von ZweigbergkMay 12, 2025
  109. Junio C HamanoMay 14, 2025
  110. Oswald BuddenhagenMay 15, 2025
  111. Jacob KellerMay 15, 2025
  112. Junio C HamanoMay 15, 2025
  113. Nico WilliamsMay 15, 2025
  114. Martin von ZweigbergkMay 12, 2025
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  117. Junio C HamanoJun 6, 2025
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