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Re: [PATCH 2/2] wrapper: use a CSPRNG to generate random file names

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Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Date
Nov 16, 2021, 19:21 UTC
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:57:28AM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes:
> 
> >> I actually wonder if we should simply die() in such a case. That's not
> >> very friendly from a libification stand-point, but we really can't
> >> progress on much without being able to generate random bytes.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could fall back to the existing code paths. This is
> > somewhat connected to my suggestion to Randall earlier in the thread.
> > But I would rather see that fallback done at compile-time for platforms
> > that don't give us an easy-to-use CSPRNG, and avoid masking legitimate
> > errors caused from trying to use a CSPRNG that should exist.
> 
> Yeah, I do not think we are doing this because the current code is
> completely broken and everybody needs to move to CSPRNG that makes
> it absoletely safe---rather this is still just making it safer than
> the current code, when system support is available.  So a fallback
> to the current code would be a good (and easy) thing to have, I
> would think.

One challenge for any fallback is that there are security implications. In particular:

  - the fallback probably needs to be specific to the mktemp code; we
    don't have any callers yet of csprng_bytes(), but anybody using it
    for, say, actual cryptography would be very unhappy if it quietly
    fell back to insecure bytes.
    (I don't have any plans to use it and we don't do very much actual
    crypto ourselves, but one place that _could_ use it is the
    generation of the push-cert nonce seed).
  - I'm not sure if we should fallback for runtime errors or not. E.g.,
    if we try to open /dev/urandom and it isn't there, is it OK to fall
    back to the older, less-secure tempfile method? That's convenient in
    some sense; Git continues to work inside a chroot for which you
    haven't set up /dev/urandom. But it may also be surprising, and
    erring on the side of doing the less secure thing is probably a bad
    idea.
    So the mktemp code probably needs to be aware of the difference
    between "we have no CSPRNG source" and "we were compiled with
    support for a source, but it didn't work".
-Peff
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  1. 0/2 Generate temporary files using a CSPRNGbrian m. carlson, Nov 16, 2021
  2. 2/2 wrapper: use a CSPRNG to generate random file namesbrian m. carlson, Nov 16, 2021
  3. Jeff KingNov 16, 2021
  4. Taylor BlauNov 16, 2021
  5. Junio C HamanoNov 16, 2021
  6. Jeff KingNov 16, 2021
  7. Taylor BlauNov 16, 2021
  8. 1/2 wrapper: add a helper to generate numbers from a CSPRNGbrian m. carlson, Nov 16, 2021
  9. Jeff KingNov 16, 2021
  10. rsbecker@nexbridge.comNov 16, 2021
  11. Taylor BlauNov 16, 2021
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  20. rsbecker@nexbridge.comNov 17, 2021
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  24. brian m. carlsonNov 17, 2021
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  35. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonNov 16, 2021
  36. Jeff KingNov 16, 2021
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