Re: Re: Unify annotated and non-annotated tags

> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:52 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Randall S. Becker
>> <rsbecker@nexbridge.com> wrote:
>>> On 2017-11-23 02:31 (GMT-05:00) anatoly techtonik wrote
>>>>Subject: Re: Unify annotated and non-annotated tags
>>>>On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> Igor Djordjevic <igor.d.djordjevic@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you would like to mimic output of "git show-ref", repeating
>>>>>> commits for each tag pointing to it and showing full tag name as
>>>>>> well, you could do something like this, for example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       for tag in $(git for-each-ref --format="%(refname)" refs/tags)
>>>>>>       do
>>>>>>               printf '%s %s\n' "$(git rev-parse $tag^0)" "$tag"
>>>>>>       done
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you use for-each-ref's --format option, you could do something
>>>>> like (pardon a long line):
>>>>>
>>>>> git for-each-ref --format='%(if)%(*objectname)%(then)%(*objectname)%(else)%(objectname)%(end) %(refname)' refs/tags
>>>>>
>>>>> without any loop, I would think.
>>>>Thanks. That helps.
>>>>So my proposal is to get rid of non-annotated tags, so to get all
>>>>tags with commits that they point to, one would use:
>>>>git for-each-ref --format='%(*objectname) %(refname)' refs/tags>
>>>>For so-called non-annotated tags just leave the message empty.
>>>>I don't see why anyone would need non-annotated tags though.
>>>
>>> I have seen non-annotated tags used in automations (not necessarily well written ones) that create tags as a record of automation activity. I am not sure we should be writing off the concept of unannotated tags entirely. This may cause breakage based on existing expectations of how tags work at present. My take is that tags should include whodunnit, even if it's just the version of the automation being used, but I don't always get to have my wishes fulfilled. In essence, whatever behaviour a non-annotated tag has now may need to be emulated in future even if reconciliation happens. An option to preserve empty tag compatibility with pre-2.16 behaviour, perhaps? Sadly, I cannot supply examples of this usage based on a human memory page-fault and NDAs.
>>
>> Are there any windows for backward compatibility breaks, or git is
>> doomed to preserve it forever?
>> Automation without support won't survive for long, and people who rely
>> on that, like Chromium team, usually hard set the version used.
>
> Git is not doomed to preserve anything forever. We've gradually broken
> backwards compatibility for a few core things like these.
>
> However, just as a bystander reading this thread I haven't seen any
> compelling reason for why these should be removed. You initially had
> questions about how to extract info about them, which you got answers
> to.
>
> So what reasons remain for why they need to be removed?