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Re: [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default

From
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Date
Jan 17, 2018, 22:07 UTC
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
>     I ran a small test myself on CentOS 7 (3.10) with ext4 data=ordered
>     on the tests I thought might do a lot of loose object writes:
>
>       $ GIT_PERF_REPEAT_COUNT=10 GIT_PERF_LARGE_REPO=~/g/linux GIT_PERF_MAKE_OPTS="NO_OPENSSL=Y CFLAGS=-O3 -j56" ./run origin/master fsync-on~ fsync-on p3400-rebase.sh p0007-write-cache.sh
>       [...]
>       Test                                                            fsync-on~         fsync-on
>       -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       3400.2: rebase on top of a lot of unrelated changes             1.45(1.30+0.17)   1.45(1.28+0.20) +0.0%
>       3400.4: rebase a lot of unrelated changes without split-index   4.34(3.71+0.66)   4.33(3.69+0.66) -0.2%
>       3400.6: rebase a lot of unrelated changes with split-index      3.38(2.94+0.47)   3.38(2.93+0.47) +0.0%
>       0007.2: write_locked_index 3 times (3214 files)                 0.01(0.00+0.00)   0.01(0.00+0.00) +0.0%
>
>    No impact. However I did my own test of running the test suite 10%
>    times with/without this patch, and it runs 9% slower:
>
>      fsync-off: avg:21.59 21.50 21.50 21.52 21.53 21.54 21.57 21.59 21.61 21.63 21.95
>       fsync-on: avg:23.43 23.21 23.25 23.26 23.26 23.27 23.32 23.49 23.51 23.83 23.88
That's not the thing you should check.

Now re-do the test while another process writes to a totally unrelated a huge file (say, do a ISO file copy or something).

That was the thing that several filesystems get completely and horribly wrong. Generally _particularly_ the logging filesystems that don't even need the fsync, because they use a single log for everything (so fsync serializes all the writes, not just the writes to the one file it's fsync'ing).

The original git design was very much to write each object file
without any syncing, because they don't matter since a new object file
- by definition - isn't really reachable. Then sync before writing the
index file or a new ref.

But things have changed, I'm not arguing that the code shouldn't be made safe by default. I personally refuse to use rotating media on my machines anyway, largely exactly because of the fsync() issue (things like "firefox" started doing fsync on the mysql database for stupid things, and you'd get huge pauses).

But I do think your benchmark is wrong. The case where only git does something is not interesting or relevant. It really is "git does something _and_ somebody else writes something entirely unrelated at the same time" that matters.

                  Linus
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  2. Junio C HamanoJan 17, 2018
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  11. Linus TorvaldsJan 17, 2018
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  25. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 17, 2020
  26. 2/2 core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippantÆvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Sep 17, 2020
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  28. Johannes SixtSep 17, 2020
  29. Johannes SchindelinOct 8, 2020
  30. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 8, 2020
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  33. Christoph HellwigSep 17, 2020
  34. Marc BranchaudSep 17, 2020
  35. 0/2 should core.fsyncObjectFiles fsync the dir entry + docsÆvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Sep 17, 2020
  36. 1/2 sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFilesÆvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Sep 17, 2020
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  45. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 22, 2020
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  47. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 22, 2020
  48. Johannes SchindelinNov 19, 2020
  49. Christoph HellwigSep 17, 2020
  50. Junio C HamanoSep 17, 2020
  51. Jeff KingJan 17, 2018
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