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Re: Proposal for new Git Wiki admin

From
Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Date
Aug 11, 2010, 12:06 UTC
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:

> +1 on Jakub and Ram because they showed restraint in the pertaining
> thread. We need moderators, not radiators ;)

Ok, I was going to let go what happened, but you are calling me a radiator. So here's what happened

1) On August 7 Johannes (Dscho) deleted a bunch of user/user talk
pages, including Jakub Narebski's page with comments like "link spam",
"Inappropriate abuse of the Wiki as a messenger".
2) The same day, Amir (Amire80), an experienced wikipedia editor and
sysop, asked Johannes what was wrong about having a link in his user
page, a practice not only allowed, but encouraged in wikipedia, and
according to the default text in mediawiki, also in git's wiki. He did
it through user talk pages, which again is the way people communicate
wikipedia.
3) Johannes blocked Amir with the message "Inappropriate abuse of the
Wiki as a messenger, as well as abuse of the admin", and deleted
Amir's comment.
4) Amir proceeded to contact the mailing list explaining what
happened, and that if indeed that's the policy of git wiki (which is
quite contrary to most wikis), such policy must be written somewhere,
not allowing people to make those mistakes. Also, asking for his
account to be unblocked.
5) The thread developed into the pros/cons of user pages until Štěpán
brought back the issue of the ban, at which point Johannes was Cc'ed.
6) Johannes defended his decision, arguing that people should somehow
know that user pages are not allowed, even though other people have
user pages (Jsarenik, Mike.lifeguard, etc.), even Jakub Narebski had
one at the moment Amir created his. He made it clear he wasn't going
to do *anything* regarding this issue, suggested that I take over his
task of monitoring the wiki, and that he was done with the discussion.
Note: I never accused Johannes of doing anything wrong, until he
denied to unblock Amir, which I think was clearly wrong, and even
worst, didn't have any desire to listen to the arguments.
7) At this point it was clear to me that Johannes had too much power
over the wiki, being the only admin, and that was specially worrying
since he had so low tolerance to accepting mistakes, therefore, on Aug
10 I started a new thread asking for a new (as in extra) maintainer,
and one of the arguments was his misbehavior.
Note: I consider raising a flag when there are problems to be a good thing.
8) The same day Johannes accepted he made a mistake, and silently
unblocked Amir with the message "I overreacted and am sorry". He never
accepted any wrongdoing on the mailing list, nor expressed any desire
in doing anything to avoid these issues in the future.
I didn't "radiate" anything, the problem was there, I merely pointed it out.
What we need is people that resolve the conflicts, not ignore them.
-- 
Felipe Contreras
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Message 8 of 18 in “Proposal for new Git Wiki admin”
  1. Ramkumar RamachandraAug 10, 2010
  2. Felipe ContrerasAug 10, 2010
  3. Jakub NarebskiAug 10, 2010
  4. Sverre RabbelierAug 10, 2010
  5. Felipe ContrerasAug 10, 2010
  6. Ramkumar RamachandraAug 11, 2010
  7. Michael J GruberAug 11, 2010
  8. Felipe ContrerasAug 11, 2010
  9. Miles BaderAug 11, 2010
  10. Ramkumar RamachandraAug 11, 2010
  11. Ramkumar RamachandraAug 11, 2010
  12. Felipe ContrerasAug 20, 2010
  13. Ramkumar RamachandraAug 20, 2010
  14. Felipe ContrerasAug 21, 2010
  15. Felipe ContrerasAug 11, 2010
  16. Felipe ContrerasAug 11, 2010
  17. Jan KrügerAug 12, 2010
  18. Felipe ContrerasAug 12, 2010

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