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Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] doc: git-checkout: don't use "reset"

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Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
Date
Sep 1, 2025, 14:28 UTC
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> I think the source of the problem is not that they "don't know what
> the term means" at all.  Isn't the real problem that the use of the
> verb in the original sentence you are correcting in this patch is
> vague and does not say what the branch is reset *to*?
I agree this is a reasonable approach here, will try that.
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>> Many Git users don't know what the term "reset" means. Resolve this by:
>
> Even though it is the name of one of the most often used commands?
> And yet a separate step in this series made the claim that everybody
> knows what "switch" means because it is the name of another command?

I'm surprised to hear you say that "reset" is one of the most often used Git commands -- what I frequently hear from Git users is that they use `git reset` only in "emergencies" where something has gone wrong and that they're afraid of using it.

I'm curious about whether there are any datasets about which Git commands are the most frequently used, or if it would be worth me trying to build one.

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>> ... This is the
>> +transactional equivalent of
>>  +
>>  ------------
>>  $ git branch -f <branch> [<start-point>]
>>  $ git checkout <branch>
>>  ------------
>>  +
>> -that is to say, the branch is not reset/created unless "git checkout" is
>> -successful (e.g., when the branch is in use in another worktree, not
>> -just the current branch stays the same, but the branch is not reset to
>> -the start-point, either).
>> +that is, the branch will not be created or modified unless
>> +`git checkout` is successful.
>>  
>>  `git checkout --detach [<branch>]`::
>>  `git checkout [--detach] <commit>`::
>
> This is in response to "transactional equivalent".  I've always felt
> that there is no need to say "transactional" in this at all.  IOW, I
> wouldn't have minded if we rewrote this more heavily.

"Transactional equivalent" was bothering me too and I like the idea of rewriting it, will give it a shot.

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  1. 0/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  2. 1/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify introJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  3. Junio C HamanoAug 26, 2025
  4. Junio C HamanoAug 26, 2025
  5. Julia EvansAug 26, 2025
  6. D. Ben KnobleAug 28, 2025
  7. Julia EvansAug 28, 2025
  8. Junio C HamanoAug 28, 2025
  9. D. Ben KnobleAug 29, 2025
  10. Junio C HamanoAug 29, 2025
  11. D. Ben KnobleSep 3, 2025
  12. 2/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  13. Junio C HamanoAug 26, 2025
  14. Julia EvansAug 28, 2025
  15. Junio C HamanoAug 28, 2025
  16. Julia EvansAug 28, 2025
  17. 3/5 doc: git-checkout: don't use "reset"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  18. 4/5 doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanationJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  19. 5/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2025
  20. Junio C HamanoAug 26, 2025
  21. Julia EvansAug 28, 2025
  22. D. Ben KnobleAug 28, 2025
  23. Julia EvansAug 28, 2025
  24. Junio C HamanoAug 28, 2025
  25. D. Ben KnobleAug 29, 2025
  26. 0/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  27. 1/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify introJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  28. Junio C HamanoAug 29, 2025
  29. Julia EvansSep 2, 2025
  30. 2/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  31. Junio C HamanoAug 29, 2025
  32. Julia EvansSep 2, 2025
  33. 3/5 doc: git-checkout: don't use "reset"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  34. Junio C HamanoAug 29, 2025
  35. Julia EvansSep 1, 2025
  36. Junio C HamanoSep 2, 2025
  37. 4/5 doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanationJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  38. 5/5 doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Aug 29, 2025
  39. 0/6 doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  40. 1/6 doc: git-checkout: clarify introJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  41. 2/6 doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  42. 3/6 doc: git-checkout: clarify `-b` and `-B`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  43. 4/6 doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanationJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  44. 5/6 doc: git-checkout: split up restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  45. 6/6 doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 3, 2025
  46. Junio C HamanoSep 3, 2025
  47. Junio C HamanoSep 3, 2025
  48. Julia EvansSep 3, 2025
  49. 0/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  50. 1/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify intro sentenceJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  51. 2/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify ARGUMENT DISAMBIGUATIONJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  52. 3/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  53. 4/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify `-b` and `-B`Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  54. Kristoffer HaugsbakkSep 29, 2025
  55. doc: git-checkout: fix placeholder markupkristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com, Oct 2, 2025
  56. doc: git-checkout: fix placeholder markupkristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com, Oct 16, 2025
  57. Julia EvansOct 17, 2025
  58. doc: git-checkout: fix placeholder markupkristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com, Oct 17, 2025
  59. 5/7 doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanationJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  60. 6/7 doc: git-checkout: split up restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  61. 7/7 doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files sectionJulia Evans via GitGitGadget, Sep 10, 2025
  62. Ben KnobleSep 11, 2025
  63. Julia EvansSep 12, 2025
  64. Kristoffer HaugsbakkSep 12, 2025
  65. Junio C HamanoSep 15, 2025
  66. Kristoffer HaugsbakkSep 16, 2025
  67. Junio C HamanoSep 12, 2025
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