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Re: [PATCH] Don't ignore write failure from git-diff, git-log, etc.

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Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>
Date
May 26, 2007, 17:27 UTC
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Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
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> Also, PLEASE don't do this:
>
>> +		if (0 <= fcntl(fileno (stdout), F_GETFD)
>
> That's totally unreadable to any normal human.
>
> You don't say "if zero is smaller or equal to X". You say "if X is larger 
> than or equal to zero". Stop messing with peoples minds, dammit!
>
> Anybody who thinks that code like this causes fewer errors is just fooling 
> himself. It causes *more* bugs, because people have a harder time reading 
> it.
>
> Maybe you and Junio have taught yourself bad manners, but you're a tiny 
> tiny part of humanity or the development community. Junio can do it just 
> because while he's just a single person, he's a big part of the git coding 
> base, but anybody else who does it should just be shot.
Whew, that is a blast from the past.
cf. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/3903/focus=3906
 (1) Maybe Jim was just being nice, trying to make the code look
     like surrounding code;
 (2) Maybe Jim and the person I learned the style from worked
     together for a long time and they picked it up from the
     same source;
 (3) Maybe I am not alone, and it is not native language -
     mother tongue issue as some suspected in the quoted thread.

In any case, I think my recent code have much less "textual order should reflect actual order" convention than before, because I have been forcing myself to say aloud "if X is larger" or "if X is smaller" before writing my comparisons, in order to match the "peoples minds" expectation you mentioned above.

This initially slowed me down and made my head hurt quite a bit, and sometimes it still does.

Once you learn to _visualize_ the ordering relationship in "X op Y" by relying on "op" being always < or <=, you will get the "number line" pop in your head whenever you see a comparision expression, without even having to think about it, and you "see" X and Y on the number line:

        ... -2        -1         0         1         2  ...  
    ---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------
    true:                        0   <=  fcntl(...)
        ... -2        -1         0         1         2  ...  
    ---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------
    false:    (0 <= fcntl(...))

What the comparison is doing comes naturally to you, without even having to translate it back to human language "X is larger (or smaller) than this constant". The ordering is right there, in front of your eyes, before you vocalize it.

In a sense, just like it is hard to go back from git to CVS (or it is hard to go back to not knowing the power of the index), it is very hard to go back once you learn to do this.

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Message 3 of 29 in “Don't ignore write failure from git-diff, git-log, etc.”
  1. Don't ignore write failure from git-diff, git-log, etc.Jim Meyering, May 26, 2007
  2. Linus TorvaldsMay 26, 2007
  3. Junio C HamanoMay 26, 2007
  4. Nicolas PitreMay 27, 2007
  5. Jim MeyeringMay 27, 2007
  6. Linus TorvaldsMay 27, 2007
  7. Jim MeyeringMay 28, 2007
  8. Marco RoelandMay 28, 2007
  9. Jim MeyeringMay 28, 2007
  10. Marco RoelandMay 28, 2007
  11. Jim MeyeringMay 28, 2007
  12. Petr BaudisMay 28, 2007
  13. Junio C HamanoMay 28, 2007
  14. Jim MeyeringMay 29, 2007
  15. Junio C HamanoMay 29, 2007
  16. Jim MeyeringMay 30, 2007
  17. Linus TorvaldsMay 28, 2007
  18. Jim MeyeringMay 28, 2007
  19. Linus TorvaldsMay 29, 2007
  20. Jim MeyeringMay 29, 2007
  21. Linus TorvaldsMay 29, 2007
  22. Jim MeyeringMay 30, 2007
  23. Linus TorvaldsMay 30, 2007
  24. Jim MeyeringMay 30, 2007
  25. Junio C HamanoMay 28, 2007
  26. Linus TorvaldsMay 29, 2007
  27. Jim MeyeringMay 30, 2007
  28. Junio C HamanoMay 30, 2007
  29. Jim MeyeringMay 30, 2007

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