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Re: Intricacies of submodules

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
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Apr 10, 2008, 05:53 UTC
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Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com> writes:
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> ... Yet, even with the latest version of Git we don't have
> "git submodule add" updating .git/config. So here comes the first  
> question:
>      * Do you consider this behavior to be a bug or do you a have a  
> reasonable
>          explanation for it?

I would say that the part is simply underdeveloped. I do not think many people from the core circle of the git community are heavy users of submodules.

The "submodule add" command was done primarily by and for people who wanted to initially register a commit as a submodule from a subdirectory repository, back when there was not much actual propagation support (that is, "what should happen when somebody cloned such a toplevel project with submodule?") designed yet. The command simply records the global hint to the .gitmodules file, so that people who get such a commit that records a submodule in its tree can also learn where to turn to when they do want to get to the submodule by looking at in-tree .gitmodules file.

However, the way others will obtain a copy of the submodule repository will be quite different from the way you access it (you already have it, so you do not need to clone it from elsewhere to initialize it). It may not make much sense to record the URL that you tell others to use in your own .git/config in the repository of the originator of such a superproject vs submodule combination. So in that sense, I am not sure if not mucking with .git/config is even a bad thing.

The side that registers data in .git/config using what is in .gitmodules as a hint, which is what "git submodule init" is about, is not very much developed either (yet). It does not have enough user interaction to allow the user to tailor the URL for his own needs, for example. There is no duplication per-se; .gitmodules may give you git:// URL but you might need to rewrite it to corresponding http:// URL because of your networking situation. And that is the reason why .git/config should be the authoritative copy. There may be bugs in the implementation -- I dunno -- but at least that is the intent. IOW, at runtime, .gitmodules should not be consulted for purposes other than to update .git/config entries.

The original discussion that led to the current implementation dates back in May-June timeframe of 2007. I would not be surprised if not all of the good ideas were incorporated in the current implementation. For example, one thing that we may want to do is to record what contents we've seen in the .gitmodules file in order to prime each entry in .git/config, so that we can give users a chance to adjust what is in .git/config when we notice the entry in .gitmodules has changed.

For example, consider that .gitmodules said the submodule should be taken from repository URL git://A.xz/project.git when you cloned. You may have used the given URL as-is to prime your .git/config, or you may have chosen to use http://A.xz/project.git/ for networking reasons.

After working with the project for a while (i.e. you pull and perhaps push back or send patches upstream), .gitmodules file changes and it now says the repository resides at host B.xz because the project relocated. You would want the next "git submodule update" to notice that your .git/config records a URL you derived from git://A.xz/project.git/, and that you have not seen this new URL git://B.xz/project.git/, and give you a chance to make adjustments if needed.

After that happens, if you seeked to an old version (perhaps you wanted to work on an old bug), .gitmodules file that is checked out of that old version may say the "upstream" is at A.xz, but the entry in .git/config may already be based on B.xz. But because you have already seen this old URL in .gitmodules, you may not want to get asked about adjusting the entry in .git/config merely because you checked out an old version. What this means is that it is not enough to just record "What the current URL you chose to use is" in .git/config (which is obvious), and it is also not enough to record "what URL .gitmodules had when you made that choice", but you would also need to record "What URLs you have _seen_ when making that choice".

The above is one thing I remember seeing in the original discussion but I do not think implemented in the current code. I strongly suspect there are other good design bits left unimplemented in the discussion. There definitely are other things people who are interested in submodules may want to improve.

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>       * Has an idea of having a regular file (subject to having  
> history, etc.)
>         called something like .gitconfig at the top level of Git's  
> repository ever
>         been considered (implemented?). That way you a repository  
> maintainer
>         would be able to force a particular set of settings on all of  
> its clones
>         yet clones will be able to override then in .git/config if  
> needed.

Considered, yes, implemented, no. Not because nobody bothered to, but because it is unclear if it is a good thing to do in general to begin with. What's recorded in .git/config is pretty much personal (e.g. "who you are known as to this project?", "what's the SMTP host, user and password when sending out patches from here?", "do you want to use color in diff?"), dependent on local needs (e.g. "what protocol a particular remote repository should be reached via"), or what the repository (as opposed to "project") is about (e.g. "is this a bare, shared distribution point, or is this a developer repository with a work tree?").

Project policies do not belong to .git/config and should be propagated in-tree. For example, "indenting with more than 8 spaces is a whitespace error for *.c files" is described in .gitattributes and given to all cloners.

There may be some behaviour that is currently controlled by what is recorded in .git/config but should be enforced project-wide. If there are such things, we may want to have a mechanism that reads from in-tree data, just like the attributes code does.

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