Re: Heads up: GMail regularly marking list messages as spam

From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Date: Aug 14, 2024, 07:32 UTC
Message-ID: <20240814073251.GB2077794@coredump.intra.peff.net>
In-Reply-To: <20240813-rampant-quokka-from-betelgeuse-4bc3c9@lemur>

On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 08:10:17PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:

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> > And from a personal point of view, it is definitely useful for me, as
> > someone who manages their own mail server, to heavily negatively score
> > all email without DKIM, but I can't do that because vger doesn't add
> > any.  That's the only thing preventing me from doing that.
> 
> There is a small subset of active git mailing list posters who send mail that
> is not DKIM-signed, for example Jeff King:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/git/20240813124550.GC968816@coredump.intra.peff.net/raw

Uh oh, now I feel singled out. ;)

It's true that I use only SPF but not DKIM. FWIW, I haven't had a huge problem with deliverability. But if the world is ready to move on and I am one of the last dinosaurs holding things up, I'm OK to be told that I really ought to implement DKIM to participate in the list.

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> However, signing their messages with a DKIM signature from vger.kernel.org
> will serve no purpose, unless we also rewrite the From: to match the
> vger.kernel.org domain. The From: field would need to be something like:
> 
>     From: Jeff King via Git Mailing List <foo+somemagic+peff.peff.net@vger.kernel.org>
> 
> This is called "From-munging" and is not acceptable on any mailing list that
> sends and receives patches, because this changes the Author of the patch.
> 
> Thing is, this has nothing to do with vger, because if Jeff emails you
> directly and you set a high negative score for messages without a DKIM
> signature, you won't get his mail either. The fact that it traversed or didn't
> traverse vger.kernel.org has no impact on that.

Yep, agreed with all of that.

-Peff