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Re: [PATCH v2 15/20] parse-options: move doc to parse-options.h

From
Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>
Date
Nov 15, 2019, 23:28 UTC
Message-ID
<20191115232805.GF22855@google.com>
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 08:37:35PM +0900, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Heba Waly <heba.waly@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >> Note that the quality of the latter is quite uneven.  The one I
> >> noticed perhaps is exceptionally well-structured (even if some of
> >> the details of its contents may have gotten stale) ...
> > ...
> > Back to the main issue you raised in the beginning: lets look at two
> > different scenarios before and after moving the docs, the first
> > scenario is the one you've been through trying to look for
> > PARSE_OPT_STOP_AT_NON_OPTION, luckily you found it in
> > Documentation/technical/api-parse-options.txt and the doc was pretty
> > useful for you. But if you were looking for PARSE_OPT_ONE_SHOT
> > instead, which is not documented in the doc file, you'd have ended up
> > in parse-options.h with no documentation, even searching for the enum
> > parse_opt_flags itself won't lead to anything useful I assume.
> 
> That is a longwinded way to say that the Doc version is outdated.  I
> am *not* advocating to keep it up-to-date just like the header (I've
> given up on that), but if it were kept fresh, then those who looked
> for ONE_SHOT would have the same ease to learn where in the larger
> picture it fits, like I did with STOP_AT_NON_OPTION.
> 
> It is not like "In the header file, it is likely that we can keep
> these up to date more easily.  A dedicated file in Documentation/
> hiearchy may be able to offer you a much better structure, but may
> not describe the option at all.  Which one do you want?"  At least,
> it should not have to be.  That is what I meant when I responded to
> your earlier
> 
> > So my proposal for this matter is to investigate the possibility of
> > using a doc generators that'd extract the documentations from the code
> > to a single doc file per library.
> 
> Extracting is just the necessary first step.  It would probably need
> to let us leave notes (in the header file used as the source of the
> documentation) to reorder things for ease of reading through.

I think doc generation from headers is a reasonable goal, although a much larger one than "get rid of the worst offenders in Documentation/technical".

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> 
> > last version of this patch, if we're trying to look for either
> > PARSE_OPT_STOP_AT_NON_OPTION or PARSE_OPT_ONE_SHOT, we'll find that
> > it's a member of parse_opt_flags, searching for the enum will lead us
> > to ....
> 
> ... which is what I found to be a frustrating experience of being
> forced to jump around to hunt for the necessary pieces of info
> sprinkled in the header file to form the overall picture, that a
> simple flat-file text document would have much easily given me
> (i.e. go back to my original post).

For what it's worth, I tend to agree that api-parse-options.txt is a particularly well-structured documentation page. I like that one and refer to it often.

Having read this back and forth, my own take is something like this:
 - Like Junio said, the quality of the the contents of
   Documentation/technical/ ranges from useless to excellent.
 - It's true that moving documentation into a header denies us some of
   the nice organization of a freeform doc.
 - The nice thing about headers is that we can reorganize declarations
   however we want, and if doing so makes the code more readable, then
   I think we should.
 - But, if we won't get up to the same level of readability as the old
   doc, then I don't see a reason to "throw the baby out with the
   bathwater," so to speak. It seems like api-parse-options.txt is good
   enough to stay.

By the way, this does make me start to wonder about the feasibility of linking in documentation generated from code comments, or other sorts of trickery to get the best of both worlds. But again, that's a very different task from "get rid of misleading or useless docs". :)

For now, maybe it's enough to add a link to api-parse-options.txt at the top of parse-options.h. Part of me wants to say maybe we should duplicate the per-function briefs into the header too, but then we have two sources, and a single one is easier to keep fresh.

 - Emily
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Message 35 of 123 in “[Outreachy] Move doc to header files”
  1. 00/10 [Outreachy] Move doc to header filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  2. 01/10 diff: move doc to diff.h and diffcore.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  3. 03/10 graph: move doc to graph.h and graph.cHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  4. 05/10 sha1-array: move doc to sha1-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  5. 08/10 attr: move doc to attr.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  6. 04/10 merge: move doc to ll-merge.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  7. Elijah NewrenOct 30, 2019
  8. Heba WalyOct 31, 2019
  9. Junio C HamanoNov 2, 2019
  10. 10/10 pathspec: move doc to pathspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  11. 07/10 refs: move doc to refs.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  12. 06/10 remote: move doc to remote.h and refspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  13. 09/10 revision: move doc to revision.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  14. Emily ShafferOct 29, 2019
  15. 02/10 dir: move doc to dir.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Oct 29, 2019
  16. 00/20 [Outreachy] Move doc to header filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  17. 04/20 merge: move doc to ll-merge.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  18. 05/20 sha1-array: move doc to sha1-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  19. 06/20 remote: move doc to remote.h and refspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  20. 09/20 revision: move doc to revision.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  21. 03/20 graph: move doc to graph.h and graph.cHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  22. 07/20 refs: move doc to refs.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  23. 08/20 attr: move doc to attr.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  24. 02/20 dir: move doc to dir.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  25. Emily ShafferNov 7, 2019
  26. Heba WalyNov 11, 2019
  27. 13/20 argv-array: move doc to argv-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  28. 16/20 run-command: move doc to run-command.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  29. 15/20 parse-options: move doc to parse-options.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  30. Junio C HamanoNov 11, 2019
  31. Heba WalyNov 11, 2019
  32. Junio C HamanoNov 12, 2019
  33. Heba WalyNov 15, 2019
  34. Junio C HamanoNov 15, 2019
  35. Emily ShafferNov 15, 2019
  36. Heba WalyNov 17, 2019
  37. 18/20 tree-walk: move doc to tree-walk.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  38. 20/20 trace2: move doc to trace2.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  39. 19/20 submodule-config: move doc to submodule-config.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  40. 10/20 pathspec: move doc to pathspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  41. Emily ShafferNov 7, 2019
  42. Heba WalyNov 10, 2019
  43. 14/20 credential: move doc to credential.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  44. 17/20 trace: move doc to trace.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  45. Emily ShafferNov 7, 2019
  46. 12/20 cache: move doc to cache.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  47. Emily ShafferNov 6, 2019
  48. 11/20 sigchain: move doc to sigchain.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  49. Emily ShafferNov 6, 2019
  50. Heba WalyNov 11, 2019
  51. 01/20 diff: move doc to diff.h and diffcore.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 6, 2019
  52. 00/21 [Outreachy] Move doc to header filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  53. 01/21 diff: move doc to diff.h and diffcore.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  54. Junio C HamanoNov 12, 2019
  55. Heba WalyNov 14, 2019
  56. 02/21 dir: move doc to dir.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  57. 03/21 graph: move doc to graph.h and graph.cHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  58. 05/21 sha1-array: move doc to sha1-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  59. 04/21 merge: move doc to ll-merge.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  60. 12/21 cache: move doc to cache.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  61. Junio C HamanoNov 12, 2019
  62. Heba WalyNov 14, 2019
  63. 06/21 remote: move doc to remote.h and refspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  64. 11/21 sigchain: move doc to sigchain.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  65. 08/21 attr: move doc to attr.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  66. 13/21 argv-array: move doc to argv-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  67. 10/21 pathspec: move doc to pathspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  68. 09/21 revision: move doc to revision.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  69. 07/21 refs: move doc to refs.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  70. 18/21 tree-walk: move doc to tree-walk.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  71. 20/21 trace2: move doc to trace2.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  72. Junio C HamanoNov 12, 2019
  73. Heba WalyNov 14, 2019
  74. 21/21 api-index: remove api doc index filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  75. 15/21 parse-options: move doc to parse-options.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  76. 19/21 submodule-config: move doc to submodule-config.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  77. 16/21 run-command: move doc to run-command.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  78. 17/21 trace: move doc to trace.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  79. 14/21 credential: move doc to credential.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 11, 2019
  80. 00/21 [Outreachy] Move doc to header filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  81. 01/21 diff: move doc to diff.h and diffcore.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  82. 05/21 sha1-array: move doc to sha1-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  83. 07/21 refs: move doc to refs.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  84. 09/21 revision: move doc to revision.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  85. 10/21 pathspec: move doc to pathspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  86. 12/21 cache: move doc to cache.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  87. 04/21 merge: move doc to ll-merge.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  88. 11/21 sigchain: move doc to sigchain.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  89. 08/21 attr: move doc to attr.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  90. 15/21 parse-options: move doc to parse-options.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  91. 16/21 run-command: move doc to run-command.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  92. 19/21 submodule-config: move doc to submodule-config.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  93. 21/21 api-index: remove api doc index filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  94. 18/21 tree-walk: move doc to tree-walk.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  95. 20/21 trace2: move doc to trace2.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  96. 17/21 trace: move doc to trace.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  97. 06/21 remote: move doc to remote.h and refspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  98. 14/21 credential: move doc to credential.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  99. 13/21 argv-array: move doc to argv-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  100. 02/21 dir: move doc to dir.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  101. 03/21 graph: move doc to graph.h and graph.cHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2019
  102. 00/21 [Outreachy] Move doc to header filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  103. 01/21 diff: move doc to diff.h and diffcore.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  104. 03/21 graph: move doc to graph.h and graph.cHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  105. 02/21 dir: move doc to dir.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  106. 04/21 merge: move doc to ll-merge.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  107. 06/21 remote: move doc to remote.h and refspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  108. 05/21 sha1-array: move doc to sha1-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  109. 07/21 refs: move doc to refs.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  110. 08/21 attr: move doc to attr.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  111. 09/21 revision: move doc to revision.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  112. 11/21 sigchain: move doc to sigchain.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  113. 15/21 parse-options: add link to doc file in parse-options.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  114. 19/21 submodule-config: move doc to submodule-config.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  115. 13/21 argv-array: move doc to argv-array.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  116. 18/21 tree-walk: move doc to tree-walk.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  117. 16/21 run-command: move doc to run-command.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  118. 21/21 api-index: remove api doc index filesHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  119. 20/21 trace2: move doc to trace2.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  120. 17/21 trace: move doc to trace.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  121. 14/21 credential: move doc to credential.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  122. 12/21 cache: move doc to cache.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019
  123. 10/21 pathspec: move doc to pathspec.hHeba Waly via GitGitGadget, Nov 17, 2019

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