git/list[1] front-page[2] threads[3] people[4] search[5] about
 

Re: [PATCH 2/2] index-pack: prefetch missing REF_DELTA bases

From
Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Date
May 15, 2019, 23:16 UTC
Message-ID
<20190515231617.GA1395@sigill.intra.peff.net>
In-Reply-To
<4fcaa4481b5fd2a76aa21263f997e00913db0e0f.1557868134.git.jonathantanmy@google.com>
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:10:55PM -0700, Jonathan Tan wrote:
Show 6 quoted lines
> Support for lazy fetching should still generally be turned off in
> index-pack because it is used as part of the lazy fetching process
> itself (if not, infinite loops may occur), but we do need to fetch the
> REF_DELTA bases. (When fetching REF_DELTA bases, it is unlikely that
> those are REF_DELTA themselves, because we do not send "have" when
> making such fetches.)

I agree that the current implementation (and probably any sane implementation) would not send us a delta if we have not provided any haves. But this does mean that a malicious server could send a client into an infinite loop.

Pretty unlikely, but should we put some kind of circuit-breaker into the client to ensure this?

> To resolve this, prefetch all missing REF_DELTA bases before attempting
> to resolve them. This both ensures that all bases are attempted to be
> fetched, and ensures that we make only one request per index-pack
> invocation, and not one request per missing object.
Ah, but now things get more tricky.

You are assuming that the server does not ever send a REF_DELTA unless the base object is not present in the pack (it would use OFS_DELTA instead). If we imagine a server which did, then there are two implications:

  1. We might pre-fetch a full copy of an object that we don't need.
     It's just that it's stored as a delta in the pack which we are
     currently indexing.
  2. If we pre-fetch multiple objects, some of them may be REF_DELTAs
     against each other, leading to an infinite loop.

Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure your assumption holds for all versions of Git that support delta-base-offset[1]. But that feels a lot less certain to me. I could imagine an alternate server implementation, for example, that is gluing together packs and does not try hard to order the base before the delta, which would require it to use REF_DELTA instead of OFS_DELTA.

That's sort of contrived, but it does feel like we're introducing a really subtle requirement on the server here, which might close off options to us in the future.

Unfortunately, I can't really think of a way for an existing client to solve this without doing individual fetches for each REF_DELTA as we encounter a need for it. In fact, even then we may lose if our ordering is unlucky. E.g., imagine we have two packfile entries whose object ids (which we don't know yet!) are X and Y, and they are stored as REF_DELTAs with bases Z and X, respectively. Then either:

  1. We try to resolve X first. We fetch Z on-demand, and reconstruct X.
     We're lucky, because when we try to resolve Y, we see that we
     already have its base X.
  2. We try to resolve Y first. We fetch X on-demand, and reconstruct Y.
     We're unlucky; we then resolve X, but only after on-demand fetching
     Z and reconstructing it do we realize that we already had it.

So really, pre-fetching all of the REF_DELTAs just means we always hit the unlucky case. But even with careful on-demand fetching, our worst case is the same (and even worse in terms of latency).

I dunno. Maybe we should just ignore it. It's a fundamental issue with partial clones that we're going to have to fetch extra junk here anyway, because what the server _optimally_ would do is not send us deltas against objects we don't have anyway. We just don't have an efficient way to tell it what we do have.

If we're willing to modify the format, one thing we _could_ do is have the server communicate the expectations for each base. I.e., introduce a new THIN_DELTA type that behaves exactly as a REF_DELTA, but with the extra 1-bit of knowledge that the server knows it is not including the base in the pack. I'm not sure how painful that retro-fitting would be. It would need at least a new capability and options to pack-objects and index-pack. We might be tight on bits in the packfile type field.

-Peff
[1] Of course there are versions of Git that don't support
    delta-base-offset. They wouldn't support partial clones either, but
    it's possible to fetch into a partially-cloned repository from
    another remote. Given how old and rare such versions are, I think we
    can probably discount it entirely. I'm much more concerned about
    alternate implementations, or trying our hands for future
    pack-objects optimizations.
Previous: Johannes SchindelinNext: Junio C Hamano
Message 9 of 26 in “Partial clone fix: handling received REF_DELTA”
  1. 0/2 Partial clone fix: handling received REF_DELTAJonathan Tan, May 14, 2019
  2. 1/2 t5616: refactor packfile replacementJonathan Tan, May 14, 2019
  3. Johannes SchindelinMay 15, 2019
  4. Jonathan TanMay 15, 2019
  5. 2/2 index-pack: prefetch missing REF_DELTA basesJonathan Tan, May 14, 2019
  6. Johannes SchindelinMay 15, 2019
  7. Jonathan TanMay 15, 2019
  8. Johannes SchindelinMay 17, 2019
  9. Jeff KingMay 15, 2019
  10. Junio C HamanoMay 16, 2019
  11. Jeff KingMay 16, 2019
  12. Jonathan TanMay 16, 2019
  13. Jeff KingMay 16, 2019
  14. Jonathan TanMay 16, 2019
  15. Jeff KingMay 16, 2019
  16. Jonathan TanMay 16, 2019
  17. Jeff KingMay 17, 2019
  18. Jeff KingMay 17, 2019
  19. Jeff KingMay 17, 2019
  20. Jeff KingMay 17, 2019
  21. Duy NguyenMay 17, 2019
  22. Jeff KingMay 17, 2019
  23. Duy NguyenMay 18, 2019
  24. Nicolas PitreMay 20, 2019
  25. Jeff KingMay 21, 2019
  26. Jonathan NiederJun 3, 2019

Read the whole thread, see it on lore, or plain text.

$ cat FOOTERMessages come from the public archive at lore.kernel.org/git, fetched every hour. The front page is chosen and written each morning by an AI editor and can be wrong; the threads themselves are the record. About and API. For agents: an MCP server at https://gitlist.dev/mcp, and any thread, story or person page as Markdown by adding .md to its URL (or sending Accept: text/markdown). Details in /llms.txt.