git/list[1] front-page[2] threads[3] people[4] search[5] about
 

Re: [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] promised-object, fsck: introduce promised objects

From
JTJonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Date
Jul 21, 2017, 20:33 UTC
Message-ID
<20170721133308.422e736d@twelve2.svl.corp.google.com>
In-Reply-To
<d014682f-66a5-c3c1-cf66-ef4bb28de076@gmail.com>

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:24:52 -0400 Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com> wrote:

Show 9 quoted lines
> Today we have 3.5 million objects * 30 bytes per entry = 105 MB of 
> promises. Given the average developer only hydrates 56K files (2 MB 
> promises) that is 103 MB to download that no one will ever need. We 
> would like to avoid that if possible as this would be a significant 
> regression in clone times from where we are today.
> 
> I'm also concerned about the performance of merging in promises given we 
> have 100M objects today and growing so the number of promises over time 
> could get pretty large.

After some thought, maybe a hybrid solution is best, in which it is permissible but optional for some missing objects to have promises. In that case, it is more of a "size cache" (which stores the type as well) rather than a true promise. When fetching, the client can optionally request for the sizes and types of missing objects.

This is good for the large-blob case, in which we can always have size information of missing blobs, and we can subsequently add blob-size filtering (as a parameter) to "git log -S" and friends to avoid needing to resolve a missing object. And this is, as far as I can tell, also good for the many-blob case - just have an empty size cache all the time. (And in the future, use cases could come up that desire non-empty but non-comprehensive caches - for example, a directory lister working on a partial clone that only needs to cache the sizes of frequently accessed directories.)

Another option is to have a repo-wide option that toggles between mandatory entries in the "size cache" and prohibited entries. Switching to mandatory provides stricter fsck and negative lookups, but I think it's not worth it for both the developers and users of Git to have to know about these two modes.

Show 34 quoted lines
> >> I think we should have a flag (off by default) that enables someone to
> >> say that promised objects are optional. If the flag is set,
> >> "is_promised_object" will return success and pass the OBJ_ANY type and a
> >> size of -1.
> >>
> >> Nothing today is using the size and in the two places where the object
> >> type is being checked for consistency (fsck_cache_tree and
> >> fsck_handle_ref) the test can add a test for OBJ_ANY as well.
> >>
> >> This will enable very large numbers of objects to be omitted from the
> >> clone without triggering a download of the corresponding number of
> >> promised objects.
> > 
> > Eventually I plan to use the size when implementing parameters for
> > history-searching commands (e.g. "git log -S"), but it's true that
> > that's in the future.
> > 
> > Allowing promised objects to be optional would indeed solve the issue of
> > downloading too many promises. It would make the code more complicated,
> > but I'm not sure by how much.
> > 
> > For example, in this fsck patch, the easiest way I could think of to
> > have promised objects was to introduce a 3rd state, called "promised",
> > of "struct object" - one in which the type is known, but we don't have
> > access to the full "struct commit" or equivalent. And thus fsck could
> > assume that if the "struct object" is "parsed" or "promised", the type
> > is known. Having optional promised objects would require that we let
> > this "promised" state have a type of OBJ_UNKNOWN (or something like
> > that) - maybe that would be fine, but I haven't looked into this in
> > detail.
> > 
> 
> Caveats apply as I only did a quick look but I only found the two 
> locations that were checking the object type for consistency.
I haven't looked into detail, but you are probably right.
Previous: Ben PeartNext: Ben Peart
Message 37 of 45 in “Partial clone: promised blobs (formerly "missing blobs")”
  1. 0/3 Partial clone: promised blobs (formerly "missing blobs")Jonathan Tan, Jul 11, 2017
  2. 1/3 promised-blob, fsck: introduce promised blobsJonathan Tan, Jul 11, 2017
  3. Stefan BellerJul 11, 2017
  4. Jonathan TanJul 19, 2017
  5. Jeff HostetlerJul 12, 2017
  6. Jonathan NiederJul 12, 2017
  7. Jeff HostetlerJul 13, 2017
  8. Jeff HostetlerJul 13, 2017
  9. Jonathan TanJul 13, 2017
  10. Jeff HostetlerJul 14, 2017
  11. Jonathan NiederJul 14, 2017
  12. 2/3 sha1-array: support appending unsigned char hashJonathan Tan, Jul 11, 2017
  13. Stefan BellerJul 11, 2017
  14. Jonathan TanJul 19, 2017
  15. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2017
  16. 3/3 sha1_file: add promised blob hook supportJonathan Tan, Jul 11, 2017
  17. Stefan BellerJul 11, 2017
  18. Ben PeartJul 12, 2017
  19. Jonathan NiederJul 12, 2017
  20. Philip OakleyJul 16, 2017
  21. Ben PeartJul 17, 2017
  22. Philip OakleyJul 25, 2017
  23. Jonathan NiederJul 17, 2017
  24. Philip OakleyJul 29, 2017
  25. 0/4 Partial clone: promised objects (not only blobs)Jonathan Tan, Jul 20, 2017
  26. 1/4 object: remove "used" field from struct objectJonathan Tan, Jul 20, 2017
  27. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2017
  28. Jonathan TanJul 20, 2017
  29. Ben PeartJul 20, 2017
  30. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2017
  31. 2/4 promised-object, fsck: introduce promised objectsJonathan Tan, Jul 20, 2017
  32. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2017
  33. Jonathan TanJul 20, 2017
  34. Ben PeartJul 20, 2017
  35. Jonathan TanJul 20, 2017
  36. Ben PeartJul 21, 2017
  37. Jonathan TanJul 21, 2017
  38. Ben PeartJul 25, 2017
  39. Philip OakleyJul 29, 2017
  40. 3/4 sha1-array: support appending unsigned char hashJonathan Tan, Jul 20, 2017
  41. 4/4 sha1_file: support promised object hookJonathan Tan, Jul 20, 2017
  42. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2017
  43. Ben PeartJul 20, 2017
  44. Jonathan TanJul 20, 2017
  45. Ben PeartJul 21, 2017

Read the whole thread, see it on lore, or plain text.

$ cat FOOTERMessages come from the public archive at lore.kernel.org/git, fetched every hour. The front page is chosen and written each morning by an AI editor and can be wrong; the threads themselves are the record. About and API. For agents: an MCP server at https://gitlist.dev/mcp, and any thread, story or person page as Markdown by adding .md to its URL (or sending Accept: text/markdown). Details in /llms.txt.