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Re: [musl] Re: Regression: git no longer works with musl libc's regex impl

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RFRich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Date
Oct 5, 2016, 16:27 UTC
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<20161005162727.GK19318@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
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<20161005161158.62o7qmpwxdgf6zzk@sigill.intra.peff.net>
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 12:11:58PM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 10:59:34PM +1100, James B wrote:
> 
> > Number downloads does not make first-tier platform. You know that as
> > well as everyone else.
> > 
> > First-tier support is the decision made by the maintainers that the
> > entire features of the software must be available on those first tier
> > platforms. So if Windows is indeed first-tier platform for git, it
> > means any features that don't work on git version of Windows must not
> > be used/developed or even castrated. That's a scary thought.
> 
> Prepare to be scared, then, I guess. Ever since the msysgit project
> started years ago, we have made concessions in the code to work both
> with POSIX-ish systems and with the msys layer. E.g., see how git-daemon
> does not fork(), but actually re-spawns itself to handle connections.
> 
> When possible we try to put our abstractions at a level where they can
> be implemented in a performant way on all platforms (the git-daemon
> things is probably the _most_ ugly in that respect; I think nobody has
> really cared about the performance enough to add back in a forking code
> path for POSIX systems).
> 
> > So this decision that "Windows is now a first-tier platform for git" -
> > is your own opinion, or is this the collective opinion of *all* the
> > git maintainers?
> 
> There is only one maintainer of git: Junio. However, you'll note that I
> also used "we" in the paragraphs above. And that is because the approach
> I am talking about is something that has been done over the course of
> many years by many members of the development community.
> 
> You may disagree with that approach, but it is nothing new. The msysgit
> project started in 2007.

The goal of the midipix project is to make the need for FOSS projects supporting Windows to do hacks like this obsolete. It still has a little ways to go to be ready for mainstream use, but it's already running a lot, and I hope you'll consider it for the future since it simplifies things A LOT when you can just write to POSIX instead of having to come up with abstraction layers that cater to Windows' brokenness.

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> > Well thank you for being honest. I can see now why you responded the
> > way you did (and still do). By being employed by Microsoft, and
> > especially paid to work on Git for Windows, you have all the
> > incentives to make it work best on Windows, and to make it as its
> > first-tier platform within the limitation of Windows.
> 
> Please don't insinuate that Johannes is a Microsoft shill. He has been
> working on the Windows port of Git for over 9 years, and was only
> employed by Microsoft this year. Furthermore, his original REG_STARTEND
> patch actually did a run-time fallback of NUL-terminating the input
> buffers. It was _I_ who suggested that we should simply push people
> towards our compat/regex routines instead. So if you want to be mad at
> somebody, be mad at me.

I hope we can get this thread away from accusing and attacking people and on to doing productive things to make the software better.

Rich
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  1. Rich FelkerOct 4, 2016
  2. Jeff KingOct 4, 2016
  3. Rich FelkerOct 4, 2016
  4. Johannes SchindelinOct 4, 2016
  5. Rich FelkerOct 4, 2016
  6. Johannes SchindelinOct 4, 2016
  7. Ray DonnellyOct 4, 2016
  8. Rich FelkerOct 4, 2016
  9. Johannes SchindelinOct 5, 2016
  10. Szabolcs NagyOct 5, 2016
  11. Rich FelkerOct 5, 2016
  12. James BOct 4, 2016
  13. Rich FelkerOct 4, 2016
  14. Junio C HamanoOct 4, 2016
  15. Jakub NarębskiOct 5, 2016
  16. Rich FelkerOct 5, 2016
  17. Johannes SchindelinOct 5, 2016
  18. James BOct 5, 2016
  19. Jeff KingOct 5, 2016
  20. Rich FelkerOct 5, 2016
  21. Johannes SchindelinOct 6, 2016
  22. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 6, 2016
  23. Jeff KingOct 6, 2016
  24. Rich FelkerOct 6, 2016
  25. Jeff KingOct 6, 2016
  26. Ramsay JonesOct 6, 2016
  27. Jakub NarębskiOct 7, 2016
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