Re: [ANNOUNCE] ugit: a pyqt-based git gui // was: Re: If you would write git from scratch now, what would you change?

From: Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>
Date: Dec 12, 2007, 05:23 UTC
Message-ID: <20071212052329.GR14735@spearce.org>
In-Reply-To: <31e9dd080712112113u44b30c62ja012951fba958c5d@mail.gmail.com>

Jason Sewall <jasonsewall@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know much about graphical toolkits and the like, but I think
> that the more modern ones have fancy features like antialiasing and
> subpixel rendering, which makes a big difference when you're working
> on a laptop with a tiny screen.

Oh, that's a good point.  On my Mac OS X system with the aqua port
of Tk the fonts render just as good as anything else on this box.
I guess the Aqua port of Tk is just better than the X11 port of
Tk is.  :)

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> Take a look for yourself:
> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/492/comparejd6.png
> 
> They are obviously using different fonts there (because I can't figure
> out what font ugit is using) but there is a difference in rendering
> quality to be sure.

Be nice to know what ugit is using, or really how its guessing the
default font.  I wonder what font you are using with your git-gui.
The default Tk picks on X11 is basically crap, but git-gui goes
with your system default as its own default.

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> The qt stuff fits better with the rest of my system better too (even
> though I'm using gnome) - it's entirely the result of Tk being
> lightweight and a million years old, when UI conventions were
> different (like every menu being detachable, and antique scrollbars).
> I'm not here to start a toolkit flame war (we had a toolkit dogpile on
> the list last week, I think) I'm just pointing out that Tk is from a
> different era.

Yes. The tile extension in 8.5 should actually improve this quite a bit; as I understand it there is a GTK backend for Tk with that set of extensions, making the UI look more modern on X11, assuming GTK was available when Tk was compiled, etc...

I have yet to make git-gui use the tile extension.  Its however
planned to happen in the near-ish future.

> I use git-gui and gitk for my git graphical needs because they rock
> and at the end of the day, the fonts and antialiasing aren't that big
> of a deal, especially since I'm usually doing quick scans and searches
> over the information those tools display, not reading novels in them.

Good points. Features win over pretty most of the time. But at some point pretty is important; especially to new user adoption. Plus if you are looking at it all day long it shouldn't be jarring to the eyes. But git-gui still isn't even where I want it ot be feature-wise. E.g. I'd *love* to teach it inotify support, so you don't even need to have that Rescan button.

-- 
Shawn.