News reader woes (was: Re: [3/4] What's not in 1.5.2 (new topics))

From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2007, 09:55 UTC
Message-ID: <200705251155.36835.jnareb@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20070520001610.GD4489@pasky.or.cz>

On Sun, 20 May 2007, Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz> wrote:

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> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:45:16PM CEST, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>> Julian Phillips <julian@quantumfyre.co.uk> writes:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>>>> Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> [Cc: Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>, Josef Weidendorfer
>>>>> <Josef.Weidendorfer@gmx.de>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
>>>>> Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>, Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail.com>,
>>>>> Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>, git@vger.kernel.org]
>>>>
>>>> Offtopic.  Why do you do this, and what benefit are you or
>>>> anybody in the above list, which is in body part of the message,
>>>> getting?
>>>
>>> It looks like he is posting through gmane using a news reader ... so
>>> the list post comes from gmane while the CCs go out directly (I
>>> assume).
>> 
>> Ah, I see.  The names listed on that in-body CC: do appear on
>> the To: in the copy of the message that came via e-mail.  If
>> that is how gmane operates then there is nothing Jakub to do to
>> improve it, I guess...
>> 
>> Thanks for the clarification.
> 
> Actually, Jakub, if it can be turned off, could you, please?
> 
> Not getting cc'd on replies is slightly annoying. But this is highly
> confusing - suddenly I must take care _not_ to reply to the private
> copies, and we actually do have a parallel subthread of replies to your
> mail not cc'd to the mailing list. :-(

The problem, and mentioned above trying to overcome it, lies in complicated interaction between the GMane news to email gateway, vger mail filtering (spam protection rules) and the _news_ reader I use, namely KNode 0.10.2 from KDE 3.5.3.

I read git mailing list via GMane NNTP (Usenet, news) interface:
  nntp://gmane.comp.version-control.git
as I respond only rarely. I start new threads using email, and
if I get reply via email I try to reply also from mail client, not
via news. However, when replying to message which I read only via
NNTP interface, replying in news client, I have option of sending
reply only to gmane.comp.version-control.git which means sending
email only to git mailing list and breaking Cc: list.

Another option is to copy Cc: list manually to To: field (no Cc: in this version of KNode), and have gmane.comp.version-control.git in the Group: field. The fact that there is no Cc: to set is the problem of KNode. The problem with GMane and vger interaction lies in the fact that I _cannot_ put git@vger.kernel.org in the To: list, as somehow vger rejects mails sent via GMane (it does not rejects news messages send via GMane).

I could also copy whole message to mail client, but this would break
In-Reply-To: and references: headers, thus breaking threading.

Do I understand correctly that you prefer 1st option, namely replying only to newsgroup / git mailing list?

Note that changing news client is as hard as changing email client: you would like to migrate configuration, news state (read/unread articles) and sent/drafts folders to new news client. Not that easy.

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Poland