# [OutReachy] Introduction and Contribution Phase 4 messages from 2024-10-10 to 2024-10-10. Participants: Neema Joju, Patrick Steinhardt, Junio C Hamano. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/62301 ## Neema Joju, 2024-10-10 04:46 Subject: [OutReachy] Introduction and Contribution Phase Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/CAEqABkKmkqJCqpG5nOgGnK_BKhN_rTgmioptTvCLYGWd4WV0ig%40mail.gmail.com ``` Hi, My name is Neema. Pronouns (she/her/hers). I am an Outreachy applicant. Completed my initial application and am currently in the contribution phase. Looking forward to working with you. I have read through https://git.github.io/General-Microproject-Information/, https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/ and https://git.github.io/SoC-2024-Microprojects/. I am in the process of selecting a microproject. However, there are some things I would like to clarify. As a part of outreachy contribution phase, making one contribution is mandatory. In the Project Contribution Information [https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-dec-2024-internship-cohort/communities/git/] section, an applicant has to complete a tutorial, microproject and then make a contribution. While I see detailed instructions regarding the microproject, there aren't any regarding contributions. Is the microproject considered the contribution? or are they separate entities? (I apologize for the double emailing) Thank you ``` ## Patrick Steinhardt, 2024-10-10 05:41 Subject: Re: [OutReachy] Introduction and Contribution Phase Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/ZwdpHNOPKpi12n3e%40pks.im In-Reply-To: ``` On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 10:21:54AM +0530, Usman Akinyemi wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:17 AM Neema Joju wrote: > > > Hi, > > My name is Neema. Pronouns (she/her/hers). > > I am an Outreachy applicant. Completed my initial application and am > > currently in the contribution phase. Looking forward to working with > > you. > > > > I have read through > > https://git.github.io/General-Microproject-Information/, > > https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/ and > > https://git.github.io/SoC-2024-Microprojects/. > > > > I am in the process of selecting a microproject. However, there are > > some things I would like to clarify. As a part of outreachy > > contribution phase, making one contribution is mandatory. In the > > Project Contribution Information > > [ > > https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-dec-2024-internship-cohort/communities/git/ > > ] > > section, an applicant has to complete a tutorial, microproject and > > then make a contribution. > > While I see detailed instructions regarding the microproject, there > > aren't any regarding contributions. Is the microproject considered the > > contribution? or are they separate entities? > > > > Hi Neema, when you do the Microproject, you are also contributing to Git. > The Microproject is all about making a contribution. You can also wait to > hear more from the mentor. No need to say much more than you did though, as what you've been saying is exactly right :) The microproject is how applicants demonstrate their ability to adapt to the workflow in the Git project. So this is how we mentors ultimately decide which applicant is likely to be the best fit for the Git project. You are of course free to do additional changes after you have completed the microproject to get more familiar with how things work. After all, this is an open source project, so people are free to contribute at any point in time. But this is not a requirement. Patrick ``` ## Neema Joju, 2024-10-10 06:56 Subject: Re: [OutReachy] Introduction and Contribution Phase Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/CAEqABkKvbpo-8-gDpFtfNcpmiC8A5mJMkcDXfhcdNrpwMvBsDA%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:12 AM Patrick Steinhardt wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 10:21:54AM +0530, Usman Akinyemi wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:17 AM Neema Joju wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > My name is Neema. Pronouns (she/her/hers). > > > I am an Outreachy applicant. Completed my initial application and am > > > currently in the contribution phase. Looking forward to working with > > > you. > > > > > > I have read through > > > https://git.github.io/General-Microproject-Information/, > > > https://git.github.io/General-Application-Information/ and > > > https://git.github.io/SoC-2024-Microprojects/. > > > > > > I am in the process of selecting a microproject. However, there are > > > some things I would like to clarify. As a part of outreachy > > > contribution phase, making one contribution is mandatory. In the > > > Project Contribution Information > > > [ > > > https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-dec-2024-internship-cohort/communities/git/ > > > ] > > > section, an applicant has to complete a tutorial, microproject and > > > then make a contribution. > > > While I see detailed instructions regarding the microproject, there > > > aren't any regarding contributions. Is the microproject considered the > > > contribution? or are they separate entities? > > > > > > > Hi Neema, when you do the Microproject, you are also contributing to Git. > > The Microproject is all about making a contribution. You can also wait to > > hear more from the mentor. > > No need to say much more than you did though, as what you've been saying > is exactly right :) The microproject is how applicants demonstrate their > ability to adapt to the workflow in the Git project. So this is how we > mentors ultimately decide which applicant is likely to be the best fit > for the Git project. > > You are of course free to do additional changes after you have completed > the microproject to get more familiar with how things work. After all, > this is an open source project, so people are free to contribute at any > point in time. But this is not a requirement. > > Patrick Thanks Patrick. Thanks Usman. ``` ## Junio C Hamano, 2024-10-10 17:03 Subject: Re: [OutReachy] Introduction and Contribution Phase Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/xmqqiktzlwl0.fsf%40gitster.g In-Reply-To: ``` Patrick Steinhardt writes: >> > ... As a part of outreachy >> > contribution phase, making one contribution is mandatory. In the >> > Project Contribution Information >> > [ >> > https://www.outreachy.org/outreachy-dec-2024-internship-cohort/communities/git/ >> > ] >> > section, an applicant has to complete a tutorial, microproject and >> > then make a contribution. > ... > You are of course free to do additional changes after you have completed > the microproject to get more familiar with how things work. After all, > this is an open source project, so people are free to contribute at any > point in time. But this is not a requirement. There seems to be a bit of confusion between what Outreachy wants to see and what we need to see before adopting somebody as an Outreachy intern. I doubt Outreachy considers a microproject contribution qualifies as the "required" contribution. Instead of being a theme for a full 3-months internship, a microproject is designed to be a bite-sized project, with which a potential participant can experience the end-to-end contribution process of proposing a change, polishing it while working with others, and seeing the evolution of the proposed change through to completion, without requiring technical skills or project specific knowledge. It is primarily a "dip your toes in the water, learn how things are done in the development community that may choose you as an intern" practice session. As Patrick said, it may still be a "contribution" from the Git project's point of view, but it is not designed to be something that qualifies as a "Contribution" they talk about when they say the "Applicants are required to make a contribution" section in their https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/#make-contributions page. ```