# Conditionally define vars to improve portability 5 messages from 2015-09-07 to 2015-09-08. Participants: Renato Botelho, Jeff King, Junio C Hamano, Jacob Keller. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/40295 ## Renato Botelho, 2015-09-07 17:51 Subject: Conditionally define vars to improve portability Message-ID: <81961DE1-FA30-4E55-8818-9FCA3BC59B81@FreeBSD.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/81961DE1-FA30-4E55-8818-9FCA3BC59B81%40FreeBSD.org ``` Default variables used to build are set using = on Makefile, (e.g. CC, INSTALL, CFLAGS, …). GNU make overwrite these values if it’s passed as an argument (make CC=clang) and it works as expected. Default method of passing arguments for make operations on FreeBSD ports tree is using environment variables instead of make arguments, then we have CC set on env before call gmake. Today these values are ignored by git Makefile, and we ended up patching Makefile replacing = by ?= on variable assignments [1]. Before I write a patch and submit I would like to check if it would be an acceptable change of if it’s something you won’t accept for any reason. Regards [1] https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/devel/git/files/patch-Makefile?revision=396048&view=markup#l7 -- Renato Botelho ``` ## Jeff King, 2015-09-08 06:30 Subject: Re: Conditionally define vars to improve portability Message-ID: <20150908063034.GF26331@sigill.intra.peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20150908063034.GF26331%40sigill.intra.peff.net In-Reply-To: <81961DE1-FA30-4E55-8818-9FCA3BC59B81@FreeBSD.org> ``` On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:51:42PM -0300, Renato Botelho wrote: > Default variables used to build are set using = on Makefile, (e.g. CC, > INSTALL, CFLAGS, …). GNU make overwrite these values if it’s passed as > an argument (make CC=clang) and it works as expected. > > Default method of passing arguments for make operations on FreeBSD > ports tree is using environment variables instead of make arguments, > then we have CC set on env before call gmake. Today these values are > ignored by git Makefile, and we ended up patching Makefile replacing = > by ?= on variable assignments [1]. Hmm. I can't really think of a downside to doing so, unless we expect users to have things like CC set in the environment and _not_ want them to bleed through to our build. But doesn't "gmake -e" solve your problem without a patch? -Peff ``` ## Renato Botelho, 2015-09-08 08:19 Subject: Re: Conditionally define vars to improve portability Message-ID: <36F51AF9-44A7-492B-9EFA-79962B79ADC4@FreeBSD.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/36F51AF9-44A7-492B-9EFA-79962B79ADC4%40FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20150908063034.GF26331@sigill.intra.peff.net> ``` > On Sep 8, 2015, at 03:30, Jeff King wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:51:42PM -0300, Renato Botelho wrote: > >> Default variables used to build are set using = on Makefile, (e.g. CC, >> INSTALL, CFLAGS, …). GNU make overwrite these values if it’s passed as >> an argument (make CC=clang) and it works as expected. >> >> Default method of passing arguments for make operations on FreeBSD >> ports tree is using environment variables instead of make arguments, >> then we have CC set on env before call gmake. Today these values are >> ignored by git Makefile, and we ended up patching Makefile replacing = >> by ?= on variable assignments [1]. > > Hmm. I can't really think of a downside to doing so, unless we expect > users to have things like CC set in the environment and _not_ want them > to bleed through to our build. > > But doesn't "gmake -e" solve your problem without a patch? Good idea, let me try it… :) -- Renato Botelho ``` ## Junio C Hamano, 2015-09-08 18:57 Subject: Re: Conditionally define vars to improve portability Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/xmqqvbbk7n8r.fsf%40gitster.mtv.corp.google.com In-Reply-To: <20150908063034.GF26331@sigill.intra.peff.net> ``` Jeff King writes: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:51:42PM -0300, Renato Botelho wrote: > >> Default variables used to build are set using = on Makefile, (e.g. CC, >> INSTALL, CFLAGS, …). GNU make overwrite these values if it’s passed as >> an argument (make CC=clang) and it works as expected. >> >> Default method of passing arguments for make operations on FreeBSD >> ports tree is using environment variables instead of make arguments, >> then we have CC set on env before call gmake. Today these values are >> ignored by git Makefile, and we ended up patching Makefile replacing = >> by ?= on variable assignments [1]. > > Hmm. I can't really think of a downside to doing so, unless we expect > users to have things like CC set in the environment and _not_ want them > to bleed through to our build. I do think that is the reason behind the choice. I am not saying I necessarily personally agree with it, though. Common things like CC are not so problematic, but more problematic are various Git build customization in our Makefile that can be left behind from a previous build. It is easier for users to forget, as a "GIT_FOO=NoThanks; export GIT_FOO" that was run previously in the same shell does not leave trace once the shell exits, compared to other avenues of customization including config.mak and explicit command line settings given to the 'make' utility (i.e. can be seen in 'history' as a single entry, without having to trace the sequence of 'GIT_FOO=NoThanks', 'export GIT_FOO' and possible 'unset GIT_FOO' to find what was in effect when 'make' was run). So from that point of view, if you encourage users to be less explicit by keeping them in the environment, you are making it easier for the users to hurt themselves. In an environment to build with a "make world" style propagation of settings from top-level to down below, "environment bleeding" is a non-issue. It is merely a convention in that build environment how the settings are passed to submakes in a whole system and everybody in that environment understands the ramifications. I agree that your suggestion of using "gmake -e" may be a good workaround for handling cases like that. ``` ## Jacob Keller, 2015-09-08 20:09 Subject: Re: Conditionally define vars to improve portability Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/CA%2BP7%2BxopnAfmKNfL%3Dp5wrqfLx5CENcBoFkdZ1swLe%2B3PchcONQ%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Common things like CC are not so problematic, but more problematic > are various Git build customization in our Makefile that can be left > behind from a previous build. It is easier for users to forget, as > a "GIT_FOO=NoThanks; export GIT_FOO" that was run previously in the > same shell does not leave trace once the shell exits, compared to > other avenues of customization including config.mak and explicit > command line settings given to the 'make' utility (i.e. can be seen > in 'history' as a single entry, without having to trace the sequence > of 'GIT_FOO=NoThanks', 'export GIT_FOO' and possible 'unset GIT_FOO' > to find what was in effect when 'make' was run). So from that point > of view, if you encourage users to be less explicit by keeping them > in the environment, you are making it easier for the users to hurt > themselves. It should be noted that a common idiom is also "VARIABLE=VALUE Make" where we set the variable in the environment before running the command. This would begin working if you allow the =? setting of variables. That being said, since "make VARIABLE=VALUE" already works, and is really just as easy to type as above, I think I prefer your argument overall. We shouldn't encourage people to use the environment, and instead use config.mak or other methods which are far more explicit. ```