# [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application 7 messages from 2015-03-04 to 2015-03-06. Participants: Matthieu Moy, Jeff King, Junio C Hamano. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/38700 ## Matthieu Moy, 2015-03-04 07:19 Subject: [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Message-ID: <1425453571-8771-1-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/1425453571-8771-1-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy%40imag.fr ``` It makes it easier for us when reviewing/selecting candidates. Signed-off-by: Matthieu Moy --- (Sending this to the list for comments, but now I can even do the push myself :-) ) SoC-2015-Ideas.md | 4 ++++ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) diff --git a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md index 86de476..d2b7d75 100644 --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md @@ -16,6 +16,10 @@ way for us to get experience with applicants, but it will also help applicants become familiar with Git's development and submission process. +Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to +your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to +[gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)). + ## Summer of code main project ideas **Students**: Please consider these ideas as starting points for -- 2.3.0.157.g79e124b ``` ## Matthieu Moy, 2015-03-04 07:19 Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots. Message-ID: <1425453571-8771-2-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/1425453571-8771-2-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy%40imag.fr In-Reply-To: <1425453571-8771-1-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr> ``` This is debatable, but this may discourrage students who picked Git more or less at random. If I read https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics correctly, the average number of slots per organization is closer to 10 than 2, hence students have better chance to get accepted in other organizations. OTOH, 2 slots is not so much worse than the 3 we had last year. And now that Dscho is volunteer to mentor a GSoC too, we may actually end up accepting 3 students. Signed-off-by: Matthieu Moy --- So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I won't fight for it in case you don't think it is. SoC-2015-Ideas.md | 5 +++++ 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+) diff --git a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md index d2b7d75..23c8313 100644 --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md @@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)). +## Note about the number of slots + +In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity. +We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year. + ## Summer of code main project ideas **Students**: Please consider these ideas as starting points for -- 2.3.0.157.g79e124b ``` ## Jeff King, 2015-03-04 07:48 Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Message-ID: <20150304074810.GB28502@peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20150304074810.GB28502%40peff.net In-Reply-To: <1425453571-8771-1-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr> ``` On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:30AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote: > --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md > +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md > @@ -16,6 +16,10 @@ way for us to get experience with applicants, but it will also help > applicants become familiar with Git's development and submission > process. > > +Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to > +your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to > +[gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)). Yeah, this is a good idea. In fact, we can provide an application template to students via the Melange system. I don't recall doing so in the past few years, but we did use this feature at one point: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SoC2007Template However, I don't recall it leading to especially better-quality applications (in fact, it may have made things worse because many students filled it out in a very perfunctory way and then assumed that was enough). -Peff ``` ## Jeff King, 2015-03-04 07:51 Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots. Message-ID: <20150304075109.GC28502@peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20150304075109.GC28502%40peff.net In-Reply-To: <1425453571-8771-2-git-send-email-Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr> ``` On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:31AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote: > So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I > won't fight for it in case you don't think it is. > [...] > --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md > +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md > @@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to > your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to > [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)). > > +## Note about the number of slots > + > +In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity. > +We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year. I'm on the fence. I don't mind giving a warning, but I'm not sure that this isn't just as likely to scare off students we want. :) Maybe something along the lines of "If you are really excited about working on git, we would love to see your application; if you are just looking for a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a small number of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just looking for a random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning. -Peff ``` ## Matthieu Moy, 2015-03-04 07:56 Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots. Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/vpq1tl5urfs.fsf%40anie.imag.fr In-Reply-To: <20150304075109.GC28502@peff.net> ``` Jeff King writes: > Maybe something along the lines of "If you are really excited about > working on git, we would love to see your application; if you are just > looking for a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a > small number of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just > looking for a random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning. Yes, that's the idea, but I didn't find a way to say "if you're one of the great students we're looking for, please come in, otherwise go away", so I went for a neutral wording that would let the reader infer it by themselves ;-). -- Matthieu Moy http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/ ``` ## Junio C Hamano, 2015-03-04 19:55 Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots. Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/xmqqk2yw8rm4.fsf%40gitster.dls.corp.google.com In-Reply-To: ``` Matthieu Moy writes: > Jeff King writes: > >> Maybe something along the lines of "If you are really excited about >> working on git, we would love to see your application; if you are just >> looking for a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a >> small number of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just >> looking for a random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning. > > Yes, that's the idea, but I didn't find a way to say "if you're one of > the great students we're looking for, please come in, otherwise go > away", so I went for a neutral wording that would let the reader infer > it by themselves ;-). What is this? Matt and Jeff's comedy hour? You two made me laugh hard ;-) ``` ## Matthieu Moy, 2015-03-06 11:47 Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots. Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/vpq4mpye4a5.fsf%40anie.imag.fr In-Reply-To: <20150304075109.GC28502@peff.net> ``` Jeff King writes: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:31AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote: > >> So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I >> won't fight for it in case you don't think it is. >> [...] >> --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md >> +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md >> @@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to >> your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to >> [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)). >> >> +## Note about the number of slots >> + >> +In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity. >> +We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year. > > I'm on the fence. OK, there's no clear consensus but no real objection either. I went ahead and pushed my patches. We can still reword or cancel my patch. -- Matthieu Moy http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/ ```