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Profiling support?

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David Kastrup· Feb 11, 2014, 11:17 UTC · lore

Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using gcov. Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.

Now since I've managed to push most of the runtime for basic git-blame operation out of blame.c proper, it becomes important to figure out where most of the remaining runtime (a sizable part of that being system time) is being spent. Loop counts like that provided by gcov (or am I missing something here?) are not helpful for that, I think I rather need the kind of per-function breakdown that gprof provides.

Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using gprof on git? Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so that this is not necessary?

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David Kastrup
Duy Nguyen· Feb 11, 2014, 13:18 UTC · re: David Kastrup · lore

Re: Profiling support?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
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> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
>
> Now since I've managed to push most of the runtime for basic git-blame
> operation out of blame.c proper, it becomes important to figure out
> where most of the remaining runtime (a sizable part of that being system
> time) is being spent.  Loop counts like that provided by gcov (or am I
> missing something here?) are not helpful for that, I think I rather need
> the kind of per-function breakdown that gprof provides.
>
> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
> that this is not necessary?
Would perf help? No changes required, and almost no overhead, I think.
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Duy
David Kastrup· Feb 11, 2014, 14:41 UTC · re: Duy Nguyen · lore

Re: Profiling support?

Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
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> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
>> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
>> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
>>
>> Now since I've managed to push most of the runtime for basic git-blame
>> operation out of blame.c proper, it becomes important to figure out
>> where most of the remaining runtime (a sizable part of that being system
>> time) is being spent.  Loop counts like that provided by gcov (or am I
>> missing something here?) are not helpful for that, I think I rather need
>> the kind of per-function breakdown that gprof provides.
>>
>> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
>> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
>> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
>> that this is not necessary?
>
> Would perf help? No changes required, and almost no overhead, I think.

Not useful. It would be probably nice for nailing down the performance gains when the work is finished so that future regressions will be noticeable. It's reasonable easy to create a test case that will take hours with the current git-blame and would finish in seconds with the improved one.

But it's not useful at all for figuring out the hotspots within the git-blame binary.

I made do with something like
make CFLAGS=-pg LDFLAGS=-pg

but it is sort of annoying that the required "make clean" apparently also cleans out the coverage files: for sensible finding of bad stuff one needs them as well.

At any rate, I'll probably figure out something eventually. No idea whether I'll get around to writing some useful instructions. At the current point of time, it would appear that a large part of the remaining user time (about half) is spent in xdl_hash_record so x86_64 architectures already benefit from XDL_FAST_HASH (which seems to hurt more than it would help with my i686). So finding a good fast hash function would likely help. The current hash function _and_ the XDL_FAST_HASH replacement used on x86_64 are a drag here because they are not easily split into a word-unaligned, a (typically long and thus most performance-relevant) word-aligned, and another word-unaligned part in a manner that allows calculating the same hash for different alignments. Something like a CRC lends itself much better to that, but since its basic operation is more complex on a general-purpose CPU, it's not likely to result in a net win.

In assembly language, add-and-multiply operations modulo 2^32-1 are pretty easy to do and lend themselves well to considering alignment at the end, but in C, access to mixed precision multiplications and the carry flag are rather awkward.

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David Kastrup
John Keeping· Feb 11, 2014, 15:14 UTC · re: David Kastrup · lore

Re: Profiling support?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:41:55PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
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> Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
> >> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
> >> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
> >>
> >> Now since I've managed to push most of the runtime for basic git-blame
> >> operation out of blame.c proper, it becomes important to figure out
> >> where most of the remaining runtime (a sizable part of that being system
> >> time) is being spent.  Loop counts like that provided by gcov (or am I
> >> missing something here?) are not helpful for that, I think I rather need
> >> the kind of per-function breakdown that gprof provides.
> >>
> >> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
> >> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
> >> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
> >> that this is not necessary?
> >
> > Would perf help? No changes required, and almost no overhead, I think.
> 
> Not useful.  It would be probably nice for nailing down the performance
> gains when the work is finished so that future regressions will be
> noticeable.  It's reasonable easy to create a test case that will take
> hours with the current git-blame and would finish in seconds with the
> improved one.
> 
> But it's not useful at all for figuring out the hotspots within the
> git-blame binary.

I would have thought the annotation described at [1] is exactly what you're looking for, isn't it?

Alternatively, I've had some success with callgrind and kCachegrind in the past.

[1] https://perf.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Tutorial#Source_level_analysis_with_perf_annotate
David Kastrup· Feb 11, 2014, 15:19 UTC · re: John Keeping · lore

Re: Profiling support?

John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk> writes:
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> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:41:55PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Would perf help? No changes required, and almost no overhead, I think.
>> 
>> Not useful.  It would be probably nice for nailing down the performance
>> gains when the work is finished so that future regressions will be
>> noticeable.  It's reasonable easy to create a test case that will take
>> hours with the current git-blame and would finish in seconds with the
>> improved one.
>> 
>> But it's not useful at all for figuring out the hotspots within the
>> git-blame binary.
>
> I would have thought the annotation described at [1] is exactly what
> you're looking for, isn't it?
>
> Alternatively, I've had some success with callgrind and kCachegrind in
> the past.
>
> [1]
> https://perf.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Tutorial#Source_level_analysis_with_perf_annotate

Misunderstanding on my part. I thought this was about the "make perf" Makefile target. I'll have to take a look at what the perf utility does.

Thanks for the clarification.
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David Kastrup
David Kastrup· Feb 11, 2014, 20:53 UTC · re: David Kastrup · lore

Re: Profiling support?

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
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> John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:41:55PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > Would perf help? No changes required, and almost no overhead, I think.
>>> 
>>> Not useful.  It would be probably nice for nailing down the performance
>>> gains when the work is finished so that future regressions will be
>>> noticeable.  It's reasonable easy to create a test case that will take
>>> hours with the current git-blame and would finish in seconds with the
>>> improved one.
>>> 
>>> But it's not useful at all for figuring out the hotspots within the
>>> git-blame binary.
>>
>> I would have thought the annotation described at [1] is exactly what
>> you're looking for, isn't it?
>>
>> Alternatively, I've had some success with callgrind and kCachegrind in
>> the past.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://perf.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Tutorial#Source_level_analysis_with_perf_annotate
>
> Misunderstanding on my part.  I thought this was about the "make perf"
> Makefile target.  I'll have to take a look at what the perf utility
> does.
>
> Thanks for the clarification.

Looks indeed like it could be useful. In the currently working code from me (last of the complex patch series), significant time is spent in moving and allocating memory. It might make sense not to continue ignoring the patch I proposed to get rid of the absurd realloc series in builtin/blame.c. While it may not be responsible for all of avoidable allocation churn, it's still large and untypical enough to mask further culprits.

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David Kastrup
Thomas Rast· Feb 16, 2014, 15:44 UTC · re: David Kastrup · lore

Re: Profiling support?

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
[...]
> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
> that this is not necessary?
No reason I'm aware of, other than that nobody ever wrote it.

Note that I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the gcov targets had bitrotted without anyone noticing. I haven't heard of any heavy users. I originally wrote them to do some basic test coverage analysis, but that's about it.

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Thomas Rast
tr@thomasrast.ch
David Kastrup· Feb 16, 2014, 15:59 UTC · re: Thomas Rast · lore

Re: Profiling support?

Thomas Rast <tr@thomasrast.ch> writes:
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> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
>> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
>> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
> [...]
>> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
>> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
>> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
>> that this is not necessary?
>
> No reason I'm aware of, other than that nobody ever wrote it.

A solid testing/benchmarking framework would quite seem like a useful GSoC project as it would make it easy for casual programmers to dip their feet into their personal bottlenecks, and it would make it much easier to find worthwhile hotspots for future projects taking the challenge of speeding up core and/or specific operations.

> Note that I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the gcov targets had
> bitrotted without anyone noticing.  I haven't heard of any heavy users.
> I originally wrote them to do some basic test coverage analysis, but
> that's about it.

I've managed to make use of the outer sandwich layers: the prepare and the evaluate stuff. I ran my own tests for benchmarking though.

It's enfuriatingly hard to get the stuff in the right directories and with the right options, so that was already more helpful than it probably should have been.

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David Kastrup
Thomas Rast· Feb 16, 2014, 16:54 UTC · re: David Kastrup · lore

Re: Profiling support?

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
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> Thomas Rast <tr@thomasrast.ch> writes:
>
>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
>>> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
>>> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
>> [...]
>>> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
>>> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
>>> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
>>> that this is not necessary?
>>
>> No reason I'm aware of, other than that nobody ever wrote it.
>
> A solid testing/benchmarking framework would quite seem like a useful
> GSoC project as it would make it easy for casual programmers to dip
> their feet into their personal bottlenecks, and it would make it much
> easier to find worthwhile hotspots for future projects taking the
> challenge of speeding up core and/or specific operations.
>
>> Note that I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the gcov targets had
>> bitrotted without anyone noticing.  I haven't heard of any heavy users.
>> I originally wrote them to do some basic test coverage analysis, but
>> that's about it.
>
> I've managed to make use of the outer sandwich layers: the prepare and
> the evaluate stuff.  I ran my own tests for benchmarking though.
Umm, are we even discussing the same thing here?

Are you saying you ran profiling-instrumented code under the t/perf/ support code? Sounds nice...

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Thomas Rast
tr@thomasrast.ch
David Kastrup· Feb 16, 2014, 17:05 UTC · re: Thomas Rast · lore

Re: Profiling support?

Thomas Rast <tr@thomasrast.ch> writes:
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> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Thomas Rast <tr@thomasrast.ch> writes:
>>
>>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Looking in the Makefile, I just find support for coverage reports using
>>>> gcov.  Whatever is there with "profile" in it seems to be for
>>>> profile-based compilation rather than using gprof.
>>> [...]
>>>> Is there a reason there are no prewired recipes or advice for using
>>>> gprof on git?  Is there a way to get the work done, namely seeing the
>>>> actual distribution of call times (rather than iterations) using gcov so
>>>> that this is not necessary?
>>>
>>> No reason I'm aware of, other than that nobody ever wrote it.
>>
>> A solid testing/benchmarking framework would quite seem like a useful
>> GSoC project as it would make it easy for casual programmers to dip
>> their feet into their personal bottlenecks, and it would make it much
>> easier to find worthwhile hotspots for future projects taking the
>> challenge of speeding up core and/or specific operations.
>>
>>> Note that I wouldn't exactly be surprised if the gcov targets had
>>> bitrotted without anyone noticing.  I haven't heard of any heavy users.
>>> I originally wrote them to do some basic test coverage analysis, but
>>> that's about it.
>>
>> I've managed to make use of the outer sandwich layers: the prepare and
>> the evaluate stuff.  I ran my own tests for benchmarking though.
>
> Umm, are we even discussing the same thing here?
Maybe not.
> Are you saying you ran profiling-instrumented code under the t/perf/
> support code?

No. I used the toplevel Makefile targets coverage-clean, coverage-compile and, after running my own problematic test cases, coverage-report. I did not use the coverage-test target, nor did I venture into t/perf/ in any other way.

-- 
David Kastrup

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