# GSoC 2010 53 messages from 2010-02-10 to 2010-02-15. Participants: Sverre Rabbelier, Petr Baudis, Christian Couder, Eric Wong, Johannes Schindelin, Mike Hommey, Tay Ray Chuan, Pau Garcia i Quiles, Pavan Kumar Sunkara, Jakub Narebski, Scott Chacon, Daniel Barkalow, Jan Koprowski, david@lang.hm, Jeff King, Shawn O. Pearce. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/22604 ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-10 20:23 Subject: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002101223o6a00f7eavb84567c1119c8ebc%40mail.gmail.com ``` Heya, Dscho created a GSoC 2010 idea's page [0] a few weeks ago, but it's a bit sad at the moment (only two idea's). Part of the reason Git was listed as 'example application' before was our awesome idea list, we should live up to that again this year :). If you feel like mentoring a summer of code student, or if you have a great idea, please add it to the list so that our would-be students have some variety in choosing their projects. I just added "A remote helper for svn" [1] myself, since I would love to see native svn support in git. Would either Daniel or Eric (or someone else of course) be interested in being a co- or backup-mentor for this project? Also, unless Shawn volunteers again, we need a Summer of Code admin for this year. Dscho, Peff, as you two have both jumped in for Junio before, do either of you have the time and inclination to do so if Shawn cannot? And of course, Shawn, do you have time to admin again this year? If not, (and no-one else steps up) I'm willing to admin myself, but I'll also be backup-admin and mentor for Melange, so if at all possible it would be awesome if someone else jumps in. Anyway, Summer of Code 2010 is a go [2], now is the time to get ready and prepare for an awesome summer :). [0] http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SoC2010Ideas [1] http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SoC2010Ideas#A_remote_helper_for_svn [2] http://socghop.appspot.com/ -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-11 21:48 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100211214833.GU9553@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100211214833.GU9553%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` Hi! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:23:55PM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Dscho created a GSoC 2010 idea's page [0] a few weeks ago, but it's a > bit sad at the moment (only two idea's). Part of the reason Git was > listed as 'example application' before was our awesome idea list, we > should live up to that again this year :). If you feel like mentoring > a summer of code student, or if you have a great idea, please add it > to the list so that our would-be students have some variety in > choosing their projects. Thanks for reminding me. :-) I have added giddy to the SoC project list, maybe someone will pick it up... -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Christian Couder, 2010-02-12 04:02 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <201002120502.43565.chriscool@tuxfamily.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/201002120502.43565.chriscool%40tuxfamily.org In-Reply-To: <20100211214833.GU9553@machine.or.cz> ``` Hi Petr Baudis wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:23:55PM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > > Dscho created a GSoC 2010 idea's page [0] a few weeks ago, but it's a > > bit sad at the moment (only two idea's). Part of the reason Git was > > listed as 'example application' before was our awesome idea list, we > > should live up to that again this year :). If you feel like mentoring > > a summer of code student, or if you have a great idea, please add it > > to the list so that our would-be students have some variety in > > choosing their projects. > > Thanks for reminding me. :-) I have added giddy to the SoC project > list, maybe someone will pick it up... I added a "git sequencer again" proposal. Regards, Christian. ``` ## Eric Wong, 2010-02-12 08:06 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212080620.GA31719@dcvr.yhbt.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212080620.GA31719%40dcvr.yhbt.net In-Reply-To: ``` Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > Dscho created a GSoC 2010 idea's page [0] a few weeks ago, but it's a > bit sad at the moment (only two idea's). Part of the reason Git was > listed as 'example application' before was our awesome idea list, we > should live up to that again this year :). If you feel like mentoring > a summer of code student, or if you have a great idea, please add it > to the list so that our would-be students have some variety in > choosing their projects. I just added "A remote helper for svn" [1] > myself, since I would love to see native svn support in git. Would > either Daniel or Eric (or someone else of course) be interested in > being a co- or backup-mentor for this project? Hi Sverre, I can't commit to anything, but they're welcome to email me/the list for guidance. I've left some notes further down in this email as well... It's been a long time since I've had time (or need, since most projects I care about have moved to git) to hack on git-svn. The git-vcs-* stuff is interesting and a good reason to refactor/redo parts of git-svn to work with it. It's been overdue for a refactoring/cleanup for _years_ now. I can't say SVN (nor the Perl support libraries) are pleasant to work with. Things to keep in mind: * avoid memory leaks by using explicit pools * avoid memory errors (which are much harder to track down wrapped around layers of SWIG/XS/SVN library abstractions). We sometimes copy SVN native data types into normal Perl ones ASAP to avoid errors/leaks * inconsistent between different repo types: - escaping may be rules are stricter/laxer for some paths - error codes aren't consistent * inability to safely maintain multiple connections to a repo in one process I'm sure I'm missing some things here that my mind just blocked out entirely... All of them should be well-documented in the git-svn commit history and/or comments. -- Eric Wong ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 09:02 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121000290.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <20100212080620.GA31719@dcvr.yhbt.net> ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Eric Wong wrote: > Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > > Heya, > > > > Dscho created a GSoC 2010 idea's page [0] a few weeks ago, but it's a > > bit sad at the moment (only two idea's). Part of the reason Git was > > listed as 'example application' before was our awesome idea list, we > > should live up to that again this year :). If you feel like mentoring > > a summer of code student, or if you have a great idea, please add it > > to the list so that our would-be students have some variety in > > choosing their projects. I just added "A remote helper for svn" [1] > > myself, since I would love to see native svn support in git. Would > > either Daniel or Eric (or someone else of course) be interested in > > being a co- or backup-mentor for this project? > > Hi Sverre, > > I can't commit to anything, but they're welcome to email me/the list for > guidance. I've left some notes further down in this email as well... > > It's been a long time since I've had time (or need, since most projects > I care about have moved to git) to hack on git-svn. > > The git-vcs-* stuff is interesting and a good reason to refactor/redo > parts of git-svn to work with it. It's been overdue for a > refactoring/cleanup for _years_ now. > > > I can't say SVN (nor the Perl support libraries) are pleasant to work > with. Things to keep in mind: > > * avoid memory leaks by using explicit pools > > * avoid memory errors (which are much harder to track down > wrapped around layers of SWIG/XS/SVN library abstractions). > We sometimes copy SVN native data types into normal Perl ones > ASAP to avoid errors/leaks > > * inconsistent between different repo types: > - escaping may be rules are stricter/laxer for some paths > - error codes aren't consistent > > * inability to safely maintain multiple connections to a repo > in one process > > I'm sure I'm missing some things here that my mind just blocked > out entirely... > > All of them should be well-documented in the git-svn commit history > and/or comments. Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? That should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is very slow due to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as you know, jumping through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to Windows). Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 09:03 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120103j3f37d417ka5b7b7ca3ae8edd%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? That > should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is very slow due > to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as you know, jumping > through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to Windows). It would very much be sense to do so, perhaps we should update the wiki to say that implementing it in C is strongly preferred? -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 09:06 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120106n3c7e8bcje04bfeb996940222%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212080620.GA31719@dcvr.yhbt.net> ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 09:06, Eric Wong wrote: > I can't commit to anything, but they're welcome to email me/the list for > guidance. Can't ask for more :). >  The git-vcs-* stuff is interesting and a good reason to refactor/redo >  parts of git-svn to work with it.  It's been overdue for a >  refactoring/cleanup for _years_ now. Do you think that the code can be sane again if we use git-svn as a base? Wouldn't it be better to start from scratch and use git-svn only as a reference as to how to interact with svn? > I can't say SVN (nor the Perl support libraries) are pleasant to work > with.  Things to keep in mind: Perhaps then it would indeed be better to just work with the C bindings, if they are equally painful. > I'm sure I'm missing some things here that my mind just blocked > out entirely... Do you have any idea how we are wrt licensing issues? II[U|R]C the svn bindings are APLv2 licensed which would be problematic if we try to use it in git? -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Mike Hommey, 2010-02-12 09:16 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212091635.GA22942@glandium.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212091635.GA22942%40glandium.org In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:03:43AM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02, Johannes Schindelin > wrote: > > Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? That > > should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is very slow due > > to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as you know, jumping > > through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to Windows). > > It would very much be sense to do so, perhaps we should update the > wiki to say that implementing it in C is strongly preferred? It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is incompatible with GPLv2) Mike ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 09:30 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121030470.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02, Johannes Schindelin > wrote: > > Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? > > That should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is very > > slow due to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as you > > know, jumping through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to Windows). > > It would very much be sense to do so, perhaps we should update the wiki > to say that implementing it in C is strongly preferred? Okay, done. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 09:32 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120132q157d2d4dqd7c81d766bd933f6%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:35, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: >> It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a >> problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is >> incompatible with GPLv2) Yeah, guess who put that there ;). > So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so > what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just > because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to > be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. Excellent point, I think we could safely argue that if we only expose 'import' and 'export' (so adhere to the fast-import/fast-export format that is already widely used), that it is indeed not a derative work. Also, becaus of how we set up the remote helpers (as drop in binaries), we shouldn't have to worry too much about distributing? -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Tay Ray Chuan, 2010-02-12 09:34 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/be6fef0d1002120134p7dda53e4h7c970bd852e6ce99%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:03:43AM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02, Johannes Schindelin >> > wrote: >> > > Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? >> > > That should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is >> > > very slow due to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as >> > > you know, jumping through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to >> > > Windows). >> > >> > It would very much be sense to do so, perhaps we should update the >> > wiki to say that implementing it in C is strongly preferred? >> >> It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a >> problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is >> incompatible with GPLv2) > > So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so > what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just > because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to > be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. hmm, what about distribution? Will we be able to distribute this remote helper with the rest of Git's GPL-ed code? As a side note, if I'm remember correctly, there used to be a implementation of SHA-1 hashing algorithm from Mozilla - was that under MPL? If so, how did we deal with that? (Wikipedia says MPL is incompatible with GPL, too.) -- Cheers, Ray Chuan ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 09:35 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121034320.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <20100212091635.GA22942@glandium.org> ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:03:43AM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02, Johannes Schindelin > > wrote: > > > Would it not make sense to implement git-remote-svn as a C program? > > > That should help matters especially on Windows, where git-svn is > > > very slow due to its using MSys (which is a stripped-down Cygwin, as > > > you know, jumping through hoops to bring some POSIX-iness to > > > Windows). > > > > It would very much be sense to do so, perhaps we should update the > > wiki to say that implementing it in C is strongly preferred? > > It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a > problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is > incompatible with GPLv2) So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 09:52 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120152x45b27e50re1942eeee03094bc%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:34, Tay Ray Chuan wrote: > hmm, what about distribution? Will we be able to distribute this > remote helper with the rest of Git's GPL-ed code? As I just said [0], it won't matter. It can be safely distributed as a separate package, as long as a binary 'git-remote-svn' is installed git will be able to use it. [0] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/139671 -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Mike Hommey, 2010-02-12 10:07 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212100758.GA23461@glandium.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212100758.GA23461%40glandium.org In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:32:44AM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:35, Johannes Schindelin > wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > >> It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a > >> problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is > >> incompatible with GPLv2) > > Yeah, guess who put that there ;). > > > So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so > > what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just > > because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to > > be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. > > Excellent point, I think we could safely argue that if we only expose > 'import' and 'export' (so adhere to the fast-import/fast-export format > that is already widely used), that it is indeed not a derative work. It is not so clear when you begin to use facilities such as strbuf, etc. Maybe dual-licensing these parts would be enough, though, but that still means doing some homework (getting approval from all contributors) Mike ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 10:49 Subject: strbuf & other stuff dual-licensing, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121147440.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <20100212100758.GA23461@glandium.org> ``` Hi, [culling the Cc: list to the most-likely interested parties, Cc:ing Andreas and Pierre] On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:32:44AM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:35, Johannes Schindelin > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > > >> It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a > > >> problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is > > >> incompatible with GPLv2) > > > > Yeah, guess who put that there ;). > > > > > So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so > > > what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just > > > because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to > > > be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. > > > > Excellent point, I think we could safely argue that if we only expose > > 'import' and 'export' (so adhere to the fast-import/fast-export format > > that is already widely used), that it is indeed not a derative work. > > It is not so clear when you begin to use facilities such as strbuf, etc. > Maybe dual-licensing these parts would be enough, though, but that still > means doing some homework (getting approval from all contributors) AFAIR Andreas already did most of the chasing down for libgit2. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 10:56 Subject: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121149470.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: ``` Hi Pavan, [culling the Cc: list to the most likely interested parties] On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > I am Pavan Kumar, a computer science student from Indian Institute of > Technology, Madras. I would like to propose a new project for git GSoC > 2010. I am new to git development community but i would like to start > contributing to it by participating as GSoC student to develop a GUI > client for git usage. Basically it will be a web client that can be > accessed from other computers. This is great stuff. As you know, the ideas page is really only about giving the students ideas what type of projects we'd like to see. But it is always better to have a project with your heart and soul behind it. Provided that we get accepted, you will have time to put up an application for this project between March 29 and April 9, according to the timeline: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline But I think you wanted to hear some feedback to your idea. So here goes my feedback: - It is a very interesting idea. I already know a few users who would be happy to use it. - It is good that you mention the preferred programming language... While I got used to Python, I am by far not good enough to mentor :-) - There is little chance that this project will become a core part of Git, as it is too far outside of the original focus of it, namely allowing developers to version-control their source code they have in a local directory. That latter point does not say that your project is not worth it, though! As I said, I think it would be very useful to have. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Pau Garcia i Quiles, 2010-02-12 11:04 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <3af572ac1002120304q798bf3a2q94374595a7783b5@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/3af572ac1002120304q798bf3a2q94374595a7783b5%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Hello, Let me suggest Wt ( http://webtoolkit.eu ) for the web development. It's C++ and GPLv2, therefore he may be able to directly use libgit2 or copy&paste source code from git. In fact, one of the examples Wt includes in the source tarball is a git viewer: http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/examples/gitmodel/gitview.wt http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt#/src/gitmodel In addition to that, if someone is interested in contributing to libQtGit ( http://gitorious.org/libqtgit ) as his/her GSoC, I'd be more than happy to accept contributors. API is done for the most used commands but is lacking implementation (read: append to a QStringList the parameters I added to the comments for the Q_ENUMS, then invoke QProcess and parse output). Some important commands which have not been translated to the libQtGit API are 'dif', 'log' and 'submodules'. Some more information on libQtGit here: http://www.elpauer.org/?p=419 On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi Pavan, > > [culling the Cc: list to the most likely interested parties] > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > >>   I am Pavan Kumar, a computer science student from Indian Institute of >> Technology, Madras. I would like to propose a new project for git GSoC >> 2010. I am new to git development community but i would like to start >> contributing to it by participating as GSoC student to develop a GUI >> client for git usage. Basically it will be a web client that can be >> accessed from other computers. > > This is great stuff. As you know, the ideas page is really only about > giving the students ideas what type of projects we'd like to see. But it > is always better to have a project with your heart and soul behind it. > > Provided that we get accepted, you will have time to put up an application > for this project between March 29 and April 9, according to the timeline: > > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline > > But I think you wanted to hear some feedback to your idea. So here goes my > feedback: > > - It is a very interesting idea. I already know a few users who would be >  happy to use it. > > - It is good that you mention the preferred programming language... While >  I got used to Python, I am by far not good enough to mentor :-) > > - There is little chance that this project will become a core part of Git, >  as it is too far outside of the original focus of it, namely allowing >  developers to version-control their source code they have in a local >  directory. > > That latter point does not say that your project is not worth it, though! > As I said, I think it would be very useful to have. > > Ciao, > Dscho > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 11:20 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121217140.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <3af572ac1002120304q798bf3a2q94374595a7783b5@mail.gmail.com> ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > Let me suggest Wt ( http://webtoolkit.eu ) for the web development. He said he wants to use Python. > In addition to that, if someone is interested in contributing to > libQtGit ( http://gitorious.org/libqtgit ) as his/her GSoC, I'd be > more than happy to accept contributors. Given that I read about libQtGit for the first time on this list (I might have missed an announcement, though), I find it a bit odd to read the implicit announcement in the context of the GSoC for _Git_. But hey, it's a free world, and you can even put it onto the ideas page on the wiki. And maybe a link to your project on the interfaces page, which you failed to do yet. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 11:35 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212113538.GV9553@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212113538.GV9553%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` Hi! On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:56:29AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > > I am Pavan Kumar, a computer science student from Indian Institute of > > Technology, Madras. I would like to propose a new project for git GSoC > > 2010. I am new to git development community but i would like to start > > contributing to it by participating as GSoC student to develop a GUI > > client for git usage. Basically it will be a web client that can be > > accessed from other computers. ..snip.. > - It is a very interesting idea. I already know a few users who would be > happy to use it. Could you please elaborate about your idea? It sounds to me as "just yet another gitweb/cgit/gitorious/...". What advantages would it have over those and why can't you implement the features you are missing within one of the existing web interfaces? Or am I missing something obvious? Thanks, -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Pavan Kumar Sunkara, 2010-02-12 11:58 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/e72faaa81002120358k3cb99e26wedd5b4a81f4ad0b8%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` I would be happy to elaborate this. First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git repositories. (even editing files) This program can be used in 2 ways. One, Use it locally and Two, hosted in a website for many users It's structure will be like this: * When you start this program by typing gittor in terminal, A new window will be opened with your preferred browser * It will take you directly to you repositories overview whose file paths have been previously provided by you. * Now after selecting a repository, you can explore among the commits, diffs, blames, trees (similiar to git web) * But also you will have other options like # Edit file: Opens a browser based syntax highlighted file editor. # See status: See the status of current working repository(git status) # See diff: See diffs # Create and/or Change branches # Add/Remove files. # Show functionalities # Commit with log messages # Push/Pull remote repositories # Garbage collection # And all other major functionalities while using git on a working repository So, as u see, it is a combination of gitweb and GUI client to use git. This opens in a internet browser, because it's easy to write GUI for it.(HTML) Also it can be used by companies by hosting it in a website and ask their members to login and work on it by website URL. But mostly this will be used locally. -pavan ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 12:18 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212121844.GK4159@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212121844.GK4159%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` Hi! On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:25:02PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > sorry but my mails aren't reaching the mailing list. So it would be > helpful if you forward this mail to the mailing list I'm quoting it in full here. :-) > I would be happy to elaborate this. Thanks a lot! > First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. > This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git > repositories. (even editing files) Aha, I see. Are you aware of "gist" [http://gist.github.com/]? It is in a sense the first attempt to do this, albeit quite rudimentary in some ways. And it's also closed-source, I'm not personally aware of an open-source alternative, so this would certainly be useful! Actually, I can say I would certainly like to add this functionality to repo.or.cz for creating commits on the mob branches over the web directly. > This program can be used in 2 ways. One, hosted in a website for many users > and Two use it locally > > It's structure will be like this: > * When you start this program by typing gittor in terminal, A new window > will be opened with your preferred browser > * It will take you directly to you repositories overview whose file paths > have been previously provided by you. > * Now after selecting a repository, you can explore among the commits, > diffs, blames, trees (similiar to git web) > * But also you will have other options like > # Edit file: Opens a browser based syntax highlighted file editor. > # See status: See the status of current working repository(git status) > # See diff: See diffs > # Create and/or Change branches > # Add/Remove files. > # Show functionalities > # Commit with log messages > # Push/Pull remote repositories > # Garbage collection > # And all other major functionalities while using git on a working > repository > > So, as u see, it is a combination of gitweb and GUI client to use git. > This opens in a internet browser, because it's easy to write GUI for > it.(HTML) However, I'm a bit unsure if you aren't loading too much on yourself, seeing how much effort it took the other projects to implement *just the read-only parts* properly. So I still wonder why it wouldn't be better to focus purely on the editing and commit creation, while relying on an existing web interface to provide the history browsing, diffs, etc. This could be done in several ways - simply taking a client and adding your code to provide the extra functionality there, OR creating a standalone project that would be cross-linked with a given web interface. The latter option is interesting since your extension could work easily with the web interfaces of choice (and e.g. modifying gitweb to provide the appropriate links is trivial, to a degree even possible purely from config file). P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Pavan Kumar Sunkara, 2010-02-12 12:24 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/e72faaa81002120424y5d54f6e9y9013d416057d962a%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212121844.GK4159@machine.or.cz> ``` >  However, I'm a bit unsure if you aren't loading too much on yourself, > seeing how much effort it took the other projects to implement *just the > read-only parts* properly. So I still wonder why it wouldn't be better > to focus purely on the editing and commit creation, while relying on > an existing web interface to provide the history browsing, diffs, etc. Yeah, My GSoC project will consist of this. Remaining all functionalities will be coded after i finish GSoC. >  This could be done in several ways - simply taking a client and adding > your code to provide the extra functionality there, OR creating a > standalone project that would be cross-linked with a given web > interface. The latter option is interesting since your extension could > work easily with the web interfaces of choice (and e.g. modifying gitweb > to provide the appropriate links is trivial, to a degree even possible > purely from config file). I am intended to link it with gitweb. >  P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active > Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? Wow. That's great, If u could get a confirmation that somebody is willing to mentor this, then i can start the project even before the start of GSoC itself. -pavan ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 12:33 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212123340.GV4159@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212123340.GV4159%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:54:29PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > >  However, I'm a bit unsure if you aren't loading too much on yourself, > > seeing how much effort it took the other projects to implement *just the > > read-only parts* properly. So I still wonder why it wouldn't be better > > to focus purely on the editing and commit creation, while relying on > > an existing web interface to provide the history browsing, diffs, etc. > > Yeah, My GSoC project will consist of this. Remaining all > functionalities will be coded after i finish GSoC. > > >  This could be done in several ways - simply taking a client and adding > > your code to provide the extra functionality there, OR creating a > > standalone project that would be cross-linked with a given web > > interface. The latter option is interesting since your extension could > > work easily with the web interfaces of choice (and e.g. modifying gitweb > > to provide the appropriate links is trivial, to a degree even possible > > purely from config file). > > I am intended to link it with gitweb. That sounds great! > >  P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active > > Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? > > Wow. That's great, If u could get a confirmation that somebody is > willing to mentor this, then i can start the project even before the > start of GSoC itself. Please note that Google provides a funding to a limited number of projects and the willingness to mentor a project does not mean yet that we will choose your project in particular for the GSoC program. I can still provide you with guidance outside of the GSoC frame and your contributions will still be certainly welcome, but we can decide which projects to choose for GSoC only when we receive all the applications. -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Mike Hommey, 2010-02-12 12:44 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212124436.GA25606@glandium.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212124436.GA25606%40glandium.org In-Reply-To: <20100212121844.GK4159@machine.or.cz> ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:18:44PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: > Hi! > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:25:02PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > sorry but my mails aren't reaching the mailing list. So it would be > > helpful if you forward this mail to the mailing list > > I'm quoting it in full here. :-) > > > I would be happy to elaborate this. > > Thanks a lot! > > > First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. > > This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git > > repositories. (even editing files) > > Aha, I see. Are you aware of "gist" [http://gist.github.com/]? It is > in a sense the first attempt to do this, albeit quite rudimentary in > some ways. And it's also closed-source, I'm not personally aware of an > open-source alternative, so this would certainly be useful! Actually, > I can say I would certainly like to add this functionality to repo.or.cz > for creating commits on the mob branches over the web directly. Surely, something could be plugged into https://bespin.mozilla.com/, which already does a great job at editing. Mike ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 12:51 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212125146.GW4159@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212125146.GW4159%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: <20100212124436.GA25606@glandium.org> ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:44:36PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:18:44PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:25:02PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > > sorry but my mails aren't reaching the mailing list. So it would be > > > helpful if you forward this mail to the mailing list > > > > I'm quoting it in full here. :-) > > > > > I would be happy to elaborate this. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. > > > This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git > > > repositories. (even editing files) > > > > Aha, I see. Are you aware of "gist" [http://gist.github.com/]? It is > > in a sense the first attempt to do this, albeit quite rudimentary in > > some ways. And it's also closed-source, I'm not personally aware of an > > open-source alternative, so this would certainly be useful! Actually, > > I can say I would certainly like to add this functionality to repo.or.cz > > for creating commits on the mob branches over the web directly. > > Surely, something could be plugged into https://bespin.mozilla.com/, > which already does a great job at editing. That sounds like a nice replacement for the textarea, thanks for the tip! On the other hand, I think this is currently the least important part of the project and for the basic implementation, even a simple textarea should suffice, any prettier editor hopefully could be slammed in anytime trivially. -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Pavan Kumar Sunkara, 2010-02-12 12:54 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/e72faaa81002120454o2294d5b6p32587048e4f65898%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212125146.GW4159@machine.or.cz> ``` I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. Is there anyone working on it now? Or shall i move forward. -pavan ``` ## Mike Hommey, 2010-02-12 13:03 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212130325.GA4433@glandium.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212130325.GA4433%40glandium.org In-Reply-To: <20100212125146.GW4159@machine.or.cz> ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:51:46PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:44:36PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:18:44PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:25:02PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > > > sorry but my mails aren't reaching the mailing list. So it would be > > > > helpful if you forward this mail to the mailing list > > > > > > I'm quoting it in full here. :-) > > > > > > > I would be happy to elaborate this. > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. > > > > This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git > > > > repositories. (even editing files) > > > > > > Aha, I see. Are you aware of "gist" [http://gist.github.com/]? It is > > > in a sense the first attempt to do this, albeit quite rudimentary in > > > some ways. And it's also closed-source, I'm not personally aware of an > > > open-source alternative, so this would certainly be useful! Actually, > > > I can say I would certainly like to add this functionality to repo.or.cz > > > for creating commits on the mob branches over the web directly. > > > > Surely, something could be plugged into https://bespin.mozilla.com/, > > which already does a great job at editing. > > That sounds like a nice replacement for the textarea, thanks for the > tip! On the other hand, I think this is currently the least important > part of the project and for the basic implementation, even a simple > textarea should suffice, any prettier editor hopefully could be slammed > in anytime trivially. There is VCS integration with bespin, already, but maybe not what people would like a git web interface to be https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Bespin/UserGuide#Version_Control Mike ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 13:05 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212130543.GX9553@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212130543.GX9553%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` Hi! On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 02:07:23PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > > I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. > > I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. > > > > Is there anyone working on it now? > > http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git/commitdiff/bc1ed6aafd9ee4937559535c66c8bddf1864bec6 Have you tried to submit this "upstream"? Why did it get dropped? This sounds like such a useful _and_ trivial thing that if we can't even get *this* integrated, surely gitweb is doomed for good... -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 13:07 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121406550.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. > I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. > > Is there anyone working on it now? http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git/commitdiff/bc1ed6aafd9ee4937559535c66c8bddf1864bec6 Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Pavan Kumar Sunkara, 2010-02-12 13:07 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/e72faaa81002120507t5977d31fra1ca83f6e8d3a585%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212130543.GX9553@machine.or.cz> ``` No worries, I will start work o this from next week. :) On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: >  Hi! > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 02:07:23PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: >> >> > I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. >> > I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. >> > >> > Is there anyone working on it now? >> >> http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git/commitdiff/bc1ed6aafd9ee4937559535c66c8bddf1864bec6 > >  Have you tried to submit this "upstream"? Why did it get dropped? This > sounds like such a useful _and_ trivial thing that if we can't even get > *this* integrated, surely gitweb is doomed for good... > > -- >                                Petr "Pasky" Baudis > A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely > rearranging their prejudices. -- William James > ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-12 13:15 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002121415180.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <20100212130543.GX9553@machine.or.cz> ``` Hi, On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 02:07:23PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: > > > > > I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. > > > I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. > > > > > > Is there anyone working on it now? > > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git/commitdiff/bc1ed6aafd9ee4937559535c66c8bddf1864bec6 > > Have you tried to submit this "upstream"? No. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Jakub Narebski, 2010-02-12 13:30 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <201002121430.49057.jnareb@gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/201002121430.49057.jnareb%40gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212130543.GX9553@machine.or.cz> ``` On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 02:07:23PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: >> >>> I saw the wishlist of gitweb in wiki. Wishlists on the wiki have, unfortunately, trouble with sometimes being not up to date. >>> I would like to implement the syntax highlighting for viewing blobs. >>> >>> Is there anyone working on it now? >> >> http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git/commitdiff/bc1ed6aafd9ee4937559535c66c8bddf1864bec6 > > Have you tried to submit this "upstream"? Why did it get dropped? This > sounds like such a useful _and_ trivial thing that if we can't even get > *this* integrated, surely gitweb is doomed for good... I don't remember seeing this send to git mailing list. Note that the patch should use quote_command(...) instead of simple join(' ', ...) for its arguments, like it is done in git_snapshot(). -- Jakub Narebski Poland ``` ## Scott Chacon, 2010-02-12 15:14 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/d411cc4a1002120714p49d26594ubf279d03295d24bc%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212121844.GK4159@machine.or.cz> ``` Hey, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Petr Baudis wrote: >  P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active > Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? > I would also be happy to help with this project - it sounds very interesting and Python/web-dev stuff is something I can actually help with. Scott ``` ## Daniel Barkalow, 2010-02-12 16:10 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.LNX.2.00.1002120923060.14365%40iabervon.org In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:35, Johannes Schindelin > wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: > >> It is already mentioned on the wiki that this would probably be a > >> problem, license-wise. (the svn library is Apache license, which is > >> incompatible with GPLv2) > > Yeah, guess who put that there ;). > > > So git-remote-svn would have to be under an Apache-compatible license, so > > what? It is not as if git-remote-svn was a derivative work of Git, just > > because it abides by a very simple command-line interface that happens to > > be defined in Git, but would work anywhere else, too. > > Excellent point, I think we could safely argue that if we only expose > 'import' and 'export' (so adhere to the fast-import/fast-export format > that is already widely used), that it is indeed not a derative work. > Also, becaus of how we set up the remote helpers (as drop in > binaries), we shouldn't have to worry too much about distributing? It was intentional on my part that the mode where the helper only talks to the remote system and to its parent be not a derived work of the parent, under the usual analysis that something is not covered by copyright if it has to be a particular way for functional or interoperability reasons. This does not strictly mean that helpers won't be derived works of git, simply because they may use git code internally (strbuf, for example), and because it's currently much easier to do incremental imports by looking up the current state from the git object database than to be completely agnostic. Also note that the current helper protocol is definitely insufficient to replace git-svn ('export' isn't actually specified, although I think everyone who guesses how it works guesses the same thing), and the transport code needs to be extended to handle the "dcommit" situation (when you push a commit, the state that you see on the remote changes based on the semantics of what you sent, but it does not change to have the same hash as what you pushed). Distribution of binaries shouldn't be a problem (the GPL specifically states that just coming in the same package doesn't matter for licensing, and this is generally what copyright laws say anyway); the main issue is that packages would have to specify which things have which license, since it won't just be obvious. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ``` ## Daniel Barkalow, 2010-02-12 16:19 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.LNX.2.00.1002121111120.14365%40iabervon.org In-Reply-To: ``` On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > I just added "A remote helper for svn" [1] myself, since I would love to > see native svn support in git. Would either Daniel or Eric (or someone > else of course) be interested in being a co- or backup-mentor for this > project? I'd be willing to be a backup mentor for the project. Even if I'm not officially doing any project management and paperwork for it, I'd like to be officially supposed to be asked questions about it; I've noticed that GSoC students are often shy about asking non-mentor developers to review their designs, and I'd like to review this before it's all written and under the end-of-summer crunch. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 16:41 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120841o71651f82h782eab46206df402%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 17:10, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > Also note that the current helper protocol is definitely insufficient to > replace git-svn ('export' isn't actually specified, although I think > everyone who guesses how it works guesses the same thing), I've finally started implementing this yesterday. > and the > transport code needs to be extended to handle the "dcommit" situation > (when you push a commit, the state that you see on the remote changes > based on the semantics of what you sent, but it does not change to have > the same hash as what you pushed). So basically what you want to do is after you push, automagically do a 'git reset --hard @{u}'? That could be handled by a specific response from the helper to the 'export'/'push' command, perhaps it could list which refs need to be updated? -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 16:43 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002120843j493af52aq603ea4eb80d7294d%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 17:19, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > I've noticed that > GSoC students are often shy about asking non-mentor developers to review > their designs, and I'd like to review this before it's all written and > under the end-of-summer crunch. Since I'm (planning on) mentoring this student, I don't think you'll have to worry about that too much. My experience with my own gsoc was that the more exposure your work gets on the list the better, so the student should send weekly 'state of the code' (including the code as a patch) mails. -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2010-02-12 16:45 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100212164507.GM4159@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100212164507.GM4159%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 07:14:58AM -0800, Scott Chacon wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Petr Baudis wrote: > >  P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active > > Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? > > > > I would also be happy to help with this project - it sounds very > interesting and Python/web-dev stuff is something I can actually help > with. Ok, I don't actually know too much about web-dev in Python (actually fairly little ;-), so you would certainly be better choice! -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ``` ## Jan Koprowski, 2010-02-12 16:52 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/c41cd75d1002120852m350f74f2ucae14c1f831277d4%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100212164507.GM4159@machine.or.cz> ``` 2010/2/12 Petr Baudis : > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 07:14:58AM -0800, Scott Chacon wrote: >> Hey, >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Petr Baudis wrote: >> >  P.S.: I could volunteer to mentor such a project, if no more active >> > Git hacker shows interest. Perhaps Jakub Narebski might be interested? >> > >> >> I would also be happy to help with this project - it sounds very >> interesting and Python/web-dev stuff is something I can actually help >> with. > > Ok, I don't actually know too much about web-dev in Python (actually > fairly little ;-), so you would certainly be better choice! > > -- >                                Petr "Pasky" Baudis > A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely > rearranging their prejudices. -- William James > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > In my opinion library Werkzeug (http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/) may be a good point of start searching simple and extremely lightweight base of application. This is good option when Django is too heavy. -- ><> Jan Koprowski [696775174] GSM ``` ## Pavan Kumar Sunkara, 2010-02-12 17:01 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/e72faaa81002120901l1c2fd29en1fcc223bbbe7a1c3%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Thanks Jan. Werkzeug is very promising to be a base for this application. -pavan ``` ## david@lang.hm, 2010-02-12 18:24 Subject: Re: web-based client for Git, was Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.2.00.1002121023460.4721%40asgard.lang.hm In-Reply-To: <20100212125146.GW4159@machine.or.cz> ``` On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:44:36PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 01:18:44PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:25:02PM +0530, Pavan Kumar Sunkara wrote: >>>> sorry but my mails aren't reaching the mailing list. So it would be >>>> helpful if you forward this mail to the mailing list >>> >>> I'm quoting it in full here. :-) >>> >>>> I would be happy to elaborate this. >>> >>> Thanks a lot! >>> >>>> First of all, this is not another gitweb or gitorious. >>>> This is a client to use git. I mean, you could use this to work on git >>>> repositories. (even editing files) >>> >>> Aha, I see. Are you aware of "gist" [http://gist.github.com/]? It is >>> in a sense the first attempt to do this, albeit quite rudimentary in >>> some ways. And it's also closed-source, I'm not personally aware of an >>> open-source alternative, so this would certainly be useful! Actually, >>> I can say I would certainly like to add this functionality to repo.or.cz >>> for creating commits on the mob branches over the web directly. >> >> Surely, something could be plugged into https://bespin.mozilla.com/, >> which already does a great job at editing. > > That sounds like a nice replacement for the textarea, thanks for the > tip! On the other hand, I think this is currently the least important > part of the project and for the basic implementation, even a simple > textarea should suffice, any prettier editor hopefully could be slammed > in anytime trivially. you may want to look at this firefox add-on, it lets you select any editor to edit textareas https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 David Lang ``` ## Daniel Barkalow, 2010-02-12 19:16 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.LNX.2.00.1002121158430.14365%40iabervon.org In-Reply-To: ``` On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 17:10, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > > Also note that the current helper protocol is definitely insufficient to > > replace git-svn ('export' isn't actually specified, although I think > > everyone who guesses how it works guesses the same thing), > > I've finally started implementing this yesterday. Great. > > and the > > transport code needs to be extended to handle the "dcommit" situation > > (when you push a commit, the state that you see on the remote changes > > based on the semantics of what you sent, but it does not change to have > > the same hash as what you pushed). > > So basically what you want to do is after you push, automagically do a > 'git reset --hard @{u}'? That could be handled by a specific response > from the helper to the 'export'/'push' command, perhaps it could list > which refs need to be updated? I think that 'export' will always have this effect, because the export/reimport roundtrip is practically never going to be exact with a remote system that isn't actually git (and the state that you see the remote as having after a successful push should match what you see if you were to clone again). People have wanted to have the remote server getting a push able to make changes like this as well, and so far we've resisted doing it, because it starts causing problems. I'm not sure what it should do, and I'm not terribly happy about any of the obvious choices, but it does have to do something to be able to replace "git svn dcommit". -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-12 19:30 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002121130uf16efeeyea6f763be18d27d%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:16, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > I think that 'export' will always have this effect, because the > export/reimport roundtrip is practically never going to be exact with a > remote system that isn't actually git (and the state that you see the > remote as having after a successful push should match what you see if you > were to clone again). Not so, currently round-trips to Mercurial using hg-git result in identical commits. -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Scott Chacon, 2010-02-12 19:47 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/d411cc4a1002121147i67317ec8k69c7274ba49d6e38%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Hey, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Heya, > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:16, Daniel Barkalow wrote: >> I think that 'export' will always have this effect, because the >> export/reimport roundtrip is practically never going to be exact with a >> remote system that isn't actually git (and the state that you see the >> remote as having after a successful push should match what you see if you >> were to clone again). > > Not so, currently round-trips to Mercurial using hg-git result in > identical commits. In most cases, this is true, but unfortunately not every VCS is as denormalized data-wise as Git is. Hg records rename info and a manifest of changed files in the changeset explicitly, whereas Git figures them out from the linked trees. This means that if some plugin does not write the file listing or rename info properly, it's difficult to recreate perfectly. It also doesn't help that the method that writes that changed-file list from contents in memory operates subtly differently than the one that writes it from files in the working directory. This caused days of headaches for me trying to keep bidirectional losslessness. Possibly not terribly helpful information, but interesting to me nonetheless. Scott ``` ## Jeff King, 2010-02-14 06:52 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100214065243.GA21956@coredump.intra.peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100214065243.GA21956%40coredump.intra.peff.net In-Reply-To: ``` On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:23:55PM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > Also, unless Shawn volunteers again, we need a Summer of Code admin > for this year. Dscho, Peff, as you two have both jumped in for Junio > before, do either of you have the time and inclination to do so if > Shawn cannot? And of course, Shawn, do you have time to admin again > this year? If not, (and no-one else steps up) I'm willing to admin > myself, but I'll also be backup-admin and mentor for Melange, so if at > all possible it would be awesome if someone else jumps in. Shawn, Dscho, and I talked about it off-list. I de-nominated myself because my wife is having a baby the week that student proposals will be reviewed, so I will probably disappear then. I think the plan was for Shawn to be the admin again. -Peff ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-14 18:15 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002141912080.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: <20100214065243.GA21956@coredump.intra.peff.net> ``` Hi, On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Jeff King wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:23:55PM +0100, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > > > Also, unless Shawn volunteers again, we need a Summer of Code admin > > for this year. Dscho, Peff, as you two have both jumped in for Junio > > before, do either of you have the time and inclination to do so if > > Shawn cannot? And of course, Shawn, do you have time to admin again > > this year? If not, (and no-one else steps up) I'm willing to admin > > myself, but I'll also be backup-admin and mentor for Melange, so if at > > all possible it would be awesome if someone else jumps in. > > Shawn, Dscho, and I talked about it off-list. I de-nominated myself > because my wife is having a baby the week that student proposals will be > reviewed, so I will probably disappear then. I think the plan was for > Shawn to be the admin again. No, my plan was to off-load work from Shawn, who is obviously overworked. And I only nominated you because you write _so_ long mails that I expected you to have spare time and Git motivation to do the job. (In fact, your mails are so long, and so many, that I simply cannot read them all.) Shawn, being the guy he is, was not able to say "no". But I'd rather do the admin job myself than seeing him getting even more overworked. Because I would hate to see Shawn burn out: his work, in my opinion, has been the most valuable for Git in general _by far_ during the last years. So if Shawn is as overworked as I expect, and you chicken out due too becoming father, I will take the job. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Jeff King, 2010-02-15 08:30 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100215083003.GA13168@coredump.intra.peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100215083003.GA13168%40coredump.intra.peff.net In-Reply-To: ``` On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:15:56PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > Shawn, Dscho, and I talked about it off-list. I de-nominated myself > > because my wife is having a baby the week that student proposals will be > > reviewed, so I will probably disappear then. I think the plan was for > > Shawn to be the admin again. > > No, my plan was to off-load work from Shawn, who is obviously overworked. Let me clarify what I said. I hope everyone who is interested will sign up to be a potential mentor, and will help by reading and ranking student proposals. And I include both you and me in that everyone. But somebody needs to be the officially designated admin and the last word on decisions, and I thought that was going to be Shawn. If you (or anyone else) wants to do it, I would be fine with that. But I do not feel comfortable taking on the responsibility myself. > So if Shawn is as overworked as I expect, and you chicken out due too > becoming father, I will take the job. I am not becoming a father. I am already a father, and trust me, a newborn baby is time-consuming. -Peff ``` ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2010-02-15 16:53 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100215165311.GB7512@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100215165311.GB7512%40spearce.org In-Reply-To: <20100215083003.GA13168@coredump.intra.peff.net> ``` Jeff King wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:15:56PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > Shawn, Dscho, and I talked about it off-list. I de-nominated myself > > > because my wife is having a baby the week that student proposals will be > > > reviewed, so I will probably disappear then. I think the plan was for > > > Shawn to be the admin again. > > > > No, my plan was to off-load work from Shawn, who is obviously overworked. > > Let me clarify what I said. I hope everyone who is interested will sign > up to be a potential mentor, and will help by reading and ranking > student proposals. And I include both you and me in that everyone. > > But somebody needs to be the officially designated admin and the last > word on decisions, and I thought that was going to be Shawn. If you (or > anyone else) wants to do it, I would be fine with that. But I do not > feel comfortable taking on the responsibility myself. Yup. In the private discussion off-list about this, I basically agreed to be admin because Peff won't have the time, and it sounded like Dscho wouldn't either. So I volunteered out of default. I think GSoC is a great program, and would love to see Git participate again this year, and would hate for us to miss out simply because we couldn't find someone to be the project admin. Fortunately $DAY_JOB feels GSoC is important, and thus might cut me a bit of slack during the peak program periods... -- Shawn. ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-15 21:53 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002151353x5c0083cfp583b06bac4f29925%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100215165311.GB7512@spearce.org> ``` Heya, On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 17:53, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > Fortunately $DAY_JOB feels GSoC is important, and thus might cut > me a bit of slack during the peak program periods... Ok, Dscho, do you want to be admin and have Shawn be backup, or the other way around? It'd be nice if we could make a concrete decision ;). -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-15 22:31 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002151431v611d666ale3c1a9213f43c78c%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` Heya, On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 23:33, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > My preference is backup, but if Shawn does not want to/is not able to be > principal admin, I will take over. All right, Shawn, are you ok with being admin then, with Dscho as backup? I'll update the wiki with whatever you decide. -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2010-02-15 22:33 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.1002152332380.20986%40pacific.mpi-cbg.de In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 17:53, Shawn O. Pearce > wrote: > > Fortunately $DAY_JOB feels GSoC is important, and thus might cut me a > > bit of slack during the peak program periods... > > Ok, Dscho, do you want to be admin and have Shawn be backup, or the > other way around? It'd be nice if we could make a concrete decision ;). My preference is backup, but if Shawn does not want to/is not able to be principal admin, I will take over. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2010-02-15 22:36 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <20100215223643.GC7512@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20100215223643.GC7512%40spearce.org In-Reply-To: ``` Sverre Rabbelier wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 23:33, Johannes Schindelin > wrote: > > My preference is backup, but if Shawn does not want to/is not able to be > > principal admin, I will take over. > > All right, Shawn, are you ok with being admin then, with Dscho as > backup? I'll update the wiki with whatever you decide. Yea, lets do that. -- Shawn. ``` ## Sverre Rabbelier, 2010-02-15 22:58 Subject: Re: GSoC 2010 Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/fabb9a1e1002151458g6d27995an911a2af0b349e0c8%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100215223643.GC7512@spearce.org> ``` Heya, On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 23:36, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > Yea, lets do that. Seems we don't record this fact anywhere on the wiki; ah well, methinks the mailing list will serve just fine as our archive, it has done so for a while for now :). -- Cheers, Sverre Rabbelier ```