# What IDEs are you using to develop git? 15 messages from 2009-08-25 to 2009-08-31. Participants: Frank Münnich, John Tapsell, Andreas Ericsson, Boaz Harrosh, Thell Fowler, Jakub Narebski, Jeremy O'Brien, Daniele Segato, Nicolas Pitre, Howard Miller, Robin Rosenberg, Erik Faye-Lund, Martin Langhoff, Rustom Mody. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/20730 ## Frank Münnich, 2009-08-25 12:15 Subject: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/000001ca257d%24b60326c0%2422097440%24%40com ``` Hi there, I am interested in helping out and improving git, though I haven't programmed in C for quite a while now and thus have to relearn quite some things. I understand the different branches (master, next, pu) and so on, and were successful in compiling git with my Ubuntu 9.04. [yeea] ;) One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? I tried Anjuta but were unsuccessful in importing the git folder from any branch into Anjuta. Eclipse worked a bit better, though I am still batteling with the debugger a bit. Any recommendations, manuals or how-to tips are greatly welcome. And one thing: thank you for your effort! Git really caught my attention and I was so much amused by the Google-Techtalk that Linus gave about Git, that it sparked my interest in relearning how to program again ;) Best regards from lovely Dresden in Germany Frank Münnich ``` ## John Tapsell, 2009-08-25 12:47 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <43d8ce650908250547t17b76c95qb9931983e0a4b232@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/43d8ce650908250547t17b76c95qb9931983e0a4b232%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) John ``` ## Andreas Ericsson, 2009-08-25 12:49 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <4A93DDE8.1030403@op5.se> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/4A93DDE8.1030403%40op5.se In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` Frank Münnich wrote: > Hi there, > > I am interested in helping out and improving git, though I haven't > programmed in C for quite a while now and thus have to relearn quite some > things. > I understand the different branches (master, next, pu) and so on, and were > successful in compiling git with my Ubuntu 9.04. [yeea] ;) > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? No IDE. Just jed (a lightweight emacs-ish editor). I've tried to learn Geany, but my fingers are too trained to the emacs shortcuts and I'm far too used to the behaviour of my current editor to be able to switch without a month or so of idling, and that's not really an option at $dayjob. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. ``` ## Boaz Harrosh, 2009-08-25 12:56 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <4A93DF66.4080902@panasas.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/4A93DF66.4080902%40panasas.com In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` On 08/25/2009 03:15 PM, Frank Münnich wrote: > Hi there, > > I am interested in helping out and improving git, though I haven't > programmed in C for quite a while now and thus have to relearn quite some > things. > I understand the different branches (master, next, pu) and so on, and were > successful in compiling git with my Ubuntu 9.04. [yeea] ;) > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > I tried Anjuta but were unsuccessful in importing the git folder from any > branch into Anjuta. Eclipse worked a bit better, though I am still batteling > with the debugger a bit. > > Any recommendations, manuals or how-to tips are greatly welcome. > And one thing: thank you for your effort! Git really caught my attention and > I was so much amused by the Google-Techtalk that Linus gave about Git, that > it sparked my interest in relearning how to program again ;) > > Best regards from lovely Dresden in Germany > Frank Münnich > kdevelop rocks. Debugging perfect. Just configure a C external-make project and off you go. Cheers Boaz ``` ## Thell Fowler, 2009-08-25 14:06 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.2.00.0908250903090.9656%40GWPortableVCS In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` Frank Münnich (git@frank-muennich.com) wrote on Aug 25, 2009: > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? I'm using Eclipse CDT on Ubuntu. The only thing that has been a pain is the debugging application output console is not a true xterm or console and doesn't show diff output (which is what I've been focused on) properly, so for that Data Display Debugger has been useful. -- Thell ``` ## Jakub Narebski, 2009-08-25 14:18 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/m31vn0m0xy.fsf%40localhost.localdomain In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` Frank Münnich writes: > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > I tried Anjuta but were unsuccessful in importing the git folder from any > branch into Anjuta. Eclipse worked a bit better, though I am still batteling > with the debugger a bit. > > Any recommendations, manuals or how-to tips are greatly welcome. > And one thing: thank you for your effort! Git really caught my attention and > I was so much amused by the Google-Techtalk that Linus gave about Git, that > it sparked my interest in relearning how to program again ;) I personally use GNU Emacs when working with git-controlled projects. See also question 20. What editor, IDE or RAD you use working with Git? in Git User's Survey 2009 (http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSurvey2008) Among text editors (although with plugins, addons, modes one can make those into something resembling IDE) Vim with 51% wins over TextMate with 33%, which in turn wins over Emacs with 21%. Next in turn is Eclipse with 13% (assuming that editors in 'other' won't change it; this would a bit unlikely, though); it is most popular among Java IDE listed (from those NetBeans is more popular than IntelliJ IDEA). XCode, MS Visual Studio and KDevelop IDE have similar popularity, surpassing Anjuta. -- Jakub Narebski Git User's Survey 2009: http://tinyurl.com/GitSurvey2009 ``` ## Jeremy O'Brien, 2009-08-26 04:24 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/A3A5440E-75F0-4812-A40D-708A0B54E00F%40gmail.com In-Reply-To: <000001ca257d$b60326c0$22097440$@com> ``` Vim (or gvim if I want better colors), and cscope. Cscope + vim is a killer combination that enables you to fly around projects of any size very efficiently. I swear by it. I use it at my job to navigate a project consisting of over 14000 lines of code. It makes tracing execution and navigating a project child's play. Hope that helps, Jeremy On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:15, Frank Münnich wrote: > Hi there, > > I am interested in helping out and improving git, though I haven't > programmed in C for quite a while now and thus have to relearn quite > some > things. > I understand the different branches (master, next, pu) and so on, > and were > successful in compiling git with my Ubuntu 9.04. [yeea] ;) > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you > working with? > I tried Anjuta but were unsuccessful in importing the git folder > from any > branch into Anjuta. Eclipse worked a bit better, though I am still > batteling > with the debugger a bit. > > Any recommendations, manuals or how-to tips are greatly welcome. > And one thing: thank you for your effort! Git really caught my > attention and > I was so much amused by the Google-Techtalk that Linus gave about > Git, that > it sparked my interest in relearning how to program again ;) > > Best regards from lovely Dresden in Germany > Frank Münnich > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ``` ## Daniele Segato, 2009-08-30 18:07 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/1251655664.31273.4.camel%40localhost In-Reply-To: <43d8ce650908250547t17b76c95qb9931983e0a4b232@mail.gmail.com> ``` Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: > 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > > I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like Eclipse. That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know vim/emacs very much. What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? Cheers, Daniele ``` ## Nicolas Pitre, 2009-08-30 19:01 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.LFD.2.00.0908301457590.6044%40xanadu.home In-Reply-To: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> ``` On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Daniele Segato wrote: > Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: > > 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : > > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > > > > I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) > > I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like > Eclipse. > That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know > vim/emacs very much. I've spent all my career as a professional programmer using vim as my sole source code editor for the last 15 years. > What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? Simplicity. Nicolas ``` ## Howard Miller, 2009-08-30 19:06 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <26ae428a0908301206s38b36901y6027486f0d780ebc@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/26ae428a0908301206s38b36901y6027486f0d780ebc%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> ``` I can only reply very generally (I don't develop git - I develop php and use git). However, I have tried to use Eclipse on a number of occasions and have always drifted back to Vim. With a bit of learning can can do most of the stuff that an IDE does, usually faster and with less fuss. However, the killer for me is that you can access your development box in an emergency over a slow dialup line and vim will get you out of trouble - your fancy, resource-hogging IDE will not. 2009/8/30 Daniele Segato : > Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: >> 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : >> > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? >> >> I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) > > I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like > Eclipse. > That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know > vim/emacs very much. > > What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? > > Cheers, > Daniele > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > ``` ## Robin Rosenberg, 2009-08-30 21:29 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <200908302329.11264.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/200908302329.11264.robin.rosenberg.lists%40dewire.com In-Reply-To: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> ``` söndag 30 augusti 2009 20:07:44 skrev Daniele Segato : > Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: > > 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : > > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > > > > I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) > > I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like > Eclipse. > That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know > vim/emacs very much. > > What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? Vim and Emacs has, and have had tools suitable for C and other languages for ages. If you have learned to master them it's hard to find anything as good. If you do java the tools in vim and emacs are not as developed as those for older languages, which Eclipse is originally developed as a tool for Java development and it shines at it. For non-java things vary. The C/C++ support in Eclipse is getting better, but it' nowhere near what exists for Java. Learning and avoiding its's bugs and quirks is probably not worth it if you already have other good or better tools. VIM and Emacs are really IDE's. In particular you can login to emacs directly and never leave it until you log out. Besdides all you pogramming tools you have your email and (yes) your mp3 player there. That's pretty integrated to me. -- robin ``` ## Andreas Ericsson, 2009-08-31 08:11 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <4A9B85A7.8080309@op5.se> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/4A9B85A7.8080309%40op5.se In-Reply-To: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> ``` Daniele Segato wrote: > Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: >> 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : >>> One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? >> I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) > > I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like > Eclipse. > That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know > vim/emacs very much. > > What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? > Pre-trained fingers in my case. I quite like simple IDE's such as Geany, but I get so annoyed when emacs keybindings don't work, or when the auto- indentation doesn't do what I want it to do that I just revert back to my simple editor instead. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. ``` ## Erik Faye-Lund, 2009-08-31 08:29 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <40aa078e0908310129u4e439152w52dccdb3dc6c961b@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/40aa078e0908310129u4e439152w52dccdb3dc6c961b%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <200908302329.11264.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com> ``` On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Robin Rosenberg wrote: > VIM and Emacs are really IDE's. In particular you can login to emacs directly > and never leave it until you log out. Besdides all you pogramming tools you > have your email and (yes) your mp3 player there. That's pretty integrated to me. One could argue that some of these features makes them Integrated Dicking-around Environments instead of Integrated Development Environments ;) -- Erik "kusma" Faye-Lund kusmabite@gmail.com (+47) 986 59 656 ``` ## Martin Langhoff, 2009-08-31 10:21 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: <46a038f90908310321p4e709969o749eea69310e947b@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/46a038f90908310321p4e709969o749eea69310e947b%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ae428a0908301206s38b36901y6027486f0d780ebc@mail.gmail.com> ``` On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Howard Miller wrote: > With a bit of learning > can can do most of the stuff that an IDE does, usually faster and with > less fuss. Ditto. And with a very modest screen size. Modern IDEs need a huge monitor, and then more, just to show what they want to show you. Not what you need. So when working on webapps, I normally keep my editor (usually an emacs variant) window small, and have lots of terminal windows tracing relevant logs (webserver, db server) and 3~4 webbrowsers logged in as different users. When working on git itself, it's much easier -- as all you need is your editor and your terminal to compile & debug so for a simple task like git itself, an IDE might even work ;-) cheers, m -- martin.langhoff@gmail.com martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ``` ## Rustom Mody, 2009-08-31 11:36 Subject: Re: What IDEs are you using to develop git? Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/f46c52560908310436l7eb2794eq4f299fbb04c66f97%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1251655664.31273.4.camel@localhost> ``` On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Daniele Segato wrote: > > Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 13.47 +0100, John Tapsell ha scritto: > > 2009/8/25 Frank Münnich : > > > One thing I would like to ask you: what, if any, IDEs are you working with? > > > > I think everyone just uses vim/emacs :-) > > I can't get how would one take vim or emacs instead of an IDE like > Eclipse. > That's probably because I'm mainingly a Java developer and i don't know > vim/emacs very much. > > What are the advantages of developing git with vim/emacs over an IDE? > > Cheers, > Daniele How much mouse do you use and how much keyboard? And now read http://steve.yegge.googlepages.com/effective-emacs. Note: vi is ergonomically superior to emacs (shortest keystrokes, no mouse at all) but emacs can do more than vi ```