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why not TortoiseGit

Subject: why not TortoiseGit

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15 messages between Oct 31, 2008 and Nov 11, 2008.

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Jakub Narebski· Oct 31, 2008, 01:59 UTC · re: Li Frank-B20596 · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

"Li Frank-B20596" <Frank.Li@freescale.com> writes:
> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg
> Why not ToroiseGit?
Because GitCheetah
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Li Frank-B20596· Oct 31, 2008, 02:02 UTC · re: Jakub Narebski · lore

RE: why not TortoiseGit

GitCheetah seem only GitGui Here and GitBash Here. TortoiseXXX can show log, diff, commit change ...at explore menu.

Best regards Frank Li

-----Original Message-----
From: Jakub Narebski [mailto:jnareb@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:59 AM
To: Li Frank-B20596
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why not TortoiseGit
"Li Frank-B20596" <Frank.Li@freescale.com> writes:
> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg Why not 
> ToroiseGit?
Because GitCheetah

-- Jakub Narebski Poland ShadeHawk on #git

George Shammas· Oct 31, 2008, 03:07 UTC · re: Li Frank-B20596 · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

The very very blunt answer is, TortoiseGit doesn't exist because no one has created it. And this may partly be do to the fact that git is more powerful then the programs who have it, so its a bigger project to make it stupid proof.

-G
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Li Frank-B20596 <Frank.Li@freescale.com> wrote:
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> GitCheetah seem only GitGui Here and GitBash Here.
> TortoiseXXX can show log, diff, commit change ...at explore menu.
>
> Best regards
> Frank Li
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jakub Narebski [mailto:jnareb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:59 AM
> To: Li Frank-B20596
> Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: why not TortoiseGit
>
> "Li Frank-B20596" <Frank.Li@freescale.com> writes:
>
>> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg Why not
>> ToroiseGit?
>
> Because GitCheetah
>
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Miles Bader· Oct 31, 2008, 03:53 UTC · re: George Shammas · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

"George Shammas" <georgyo@gmail.com> writes:
> The very very blunt answer is, TortoiseGit doesn't exist because no
> one has created it. And this may partly be do to the fact that git is
> more powerful then the programs who have it, so its a bigger project
> to make it stupid proof.

... and from what I've seen of tortoise* users, "stupid proof" is very, very, very, necessary...

-Miles
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Ian Hilt· Oct 31, 2008, 12:19 UTC · re: Li Frank-B20596 · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:44:45AM +0800, Li Frank-B20596 wrote:
> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg
> Why not ToroiseGit
This is what Johannes Schindelin had to say,
	<http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/wiki/GitCheetah>
Andreas Ericsson· Oct 31, 2008, 12:35 UTC · re: Ian Hilt · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

Ian Hilt wrote:
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> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:44:45AM +0800, Li Frank-B20596 wrote:
>> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg
>> Why not ToroiseGit
> 
> This is what Johannes Schindelin had to say,
> 
> 	<http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/wiki/GitCheetah>

Noone's written TortoiseGit yet. I have no idea why, and I have no reason to write it myself. If GitCheetah isn't working well, I'm sure patches are welcome.

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Scott Chacon· Oct 31, 2008, 15:57 UTC · re: Andreas Ericsson · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

I'm trying to get this restarted - dscho and I talked about this at the GitTogether, and I met some people (from the OpenAFS project that also happened to be there, oddly) who were interested in working on this with me. I think the lack of a linkable library has greatly hindered the development of projects like this, so that will likely be part of the development process as well.

Scott
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se> wrote:
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> Ian Hilt wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:44:45AM +0800, Li Frank-B20596 wrote:
>>>
>>> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg
>>> Why not ToroiseGit
>>
>> This is what Johannes Schindelin had to say,
>>
>>        <http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/wiki/GitCheetah>
>
> Noone's written TortoiseGit yet. I have no idea why, and I have
> no reason to write it myself. If GitCheetah isn't working well,
> I'm sure patches are welcome.
>
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Li Frank· Nov 2, 2008, 14:14 UTC · re: Scott Chacon · lore

RE: why not TortoiseGit

I read some code of TortoiseSVN and TortoiseHg Code. At beginning, TortoiseGit can git command to get information like Qgit. After linkable library ready, replace "git command".

I think TortoiseGit can start base on below way.
 
1.  Base on TortoiseHg, It is python Script.  Replace below hg operator
with Git. 
2.  Base on TortoiseSVN, It is developed with C++. Need VS2008.
ToritoiseSVN provide some built in diff and merge tools. 
3.  Base on Qgit, which provide some basic UI, such comment dialogbox,
history view and file annotate. 

Best regards Frank Li

-----Original Message-----
From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:git-owner@vger.kernel.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Chacon
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:58 PM
To: Andreas Ericsson
Cc: Ian Hilt; Li Frank-B20596; git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why not TortoiseGit

I'm trying to get this restarted - dscho and I talked about this at the GitTogether, and I met some people (from the OpenAFS project that also happened to be there, oddly) who were interested in working on this with me. I think the lack of a linkable library has greatly hindered the development of projects like this, so that will likely be part of the development process as well.

Scott
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se> wrote:
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> Ian Hilt wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:44:45AM +0800, Li Frank-B20596 wrote:
>>>
>>> There are TortoiseCVS, TortoiseSVN, TortoiseBzr, TortoiseHg Why not 
>>> ToroiseGit
>>
>> This is what Johannes Schindelin had to say,
>>
>>        <http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/wiki/GitCheetah>
>
> Noone's written TortoiseGit yet. I have no idea why, and I have no 
> reason to write it myself. If GitCheetah isn't working well, I'm sure 
> patches are welcome.
>
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Nigel Magnay· Nov 3, 2008, 10:00 UTC · re: Li Frank · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

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> I read some code of TortoiseSVN and TortoiseHg Code.
> At beginning, TortoiseGit can git command to get information like Qgit.
> After linkable library ready, replace "git command".
>
> I think TortoiseGit can start base on below way.
>
> 1.  Base on TortoiseHg, It is python Script.  Replace below hg operator
> with Git.
> 2.  Base on TortoiseSVN, It is developed with C++. Need VS2008.
> ToritoiseSVN provide some built in diff and merge tools.
> 3.  Base on Qgit, which provide some basic UI, such comment dialogbox,
> history view and file annotate.
>
>

TortoiseSVN is a good place to start because it separates out the windows icon decorators into a separate DLL (shared with TortoiseCVS). This is significant, as these are a finite resource in the windows shell, and so having a TortoiseSVN + TortoiseGIT on one machine and you might run out, and I'd imagine lots of people wanting both.

On the minus side, building (Tortoise)SVN requires a lot of environment setup just to get it to build - most of which can be immediately thrown away as it's specific to SVN.

But it doesn't look like a hard project to me, just requires stripping out a lot of junk and re-patching callouts to a git executable (which could be the standard git tools) and a minimal git library that knows if files are dirty.

Johannes Schindelin· Nov 3, 2008, 13:26 UTC · re: Nigel Magnay · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

Hi,
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Nigel Magnay wrote:
> But it doesn't look like a hard project to me, just requires stripping 
> out a lot of junk and re-patching callouts to a git executable (which 
> could be the standard git tools) and a minimal git library that knows if 
> files are dirty.
I only wish that people would put their code where there mouth is.

At least with GitCheetah, we have working code, _and_ an opportunity to go cross-platform.

Ciao, Dscho

Nigel Magnay· Nov 3, 2008, 13:39 UTC · re: Johannes Schindelin · lore

Re: why not TortoiseGit

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>> But it doesn't look like a hard project to me, just requires stripping
>> out a lot of junk and re-patching callouts to a git executable (which
>> could be the standard git tools) and a minimal git library that knows if
>> files are dirty.
>
> I only wish that people would put their code where there mouth is.
>
> At least with GitCheetah, we have working code, _and_ an opportunity to go
> cross-platform.
>

Well, hey, I don't care there's no TortoiseGit. I looked at these things back when I had colleagues stuck on Windows, and at the time wanted to try and wean them off SVN.

The shell-icon overlay limit on Windows looked a significant problem to me, and a good reason for at least re-using that bit of code (which is common to even tortoiseCVS). It looked like it had been through a significant number of iterations to get platform shell subtleties right.

I even looked at wacky things, like using IKVM.Net and JGit to hack it quickly, but that's a non-starter because of MS' stupid one-clr-per-process.

That's what I found. Maybe it'll be useful for anyone else that wants to continue. Since it's not an itch for me any more, and it won't feed my children, until someone that cares enough does something there won't be one.

Li Frank· Nov 4, 2008, 06:36 UTC · re: Nigel Magnay · lore

RE: why not TortoiseGit

I also think it is best choose base on Tortoise SVN. TortoriseGIt should be in windows platform only because it is extension of explore.

Best regards Frank Li

-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Magnay [mailto:nigel.magnay@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:00 PM
To: Li Frank-B20596
Cc: Scott Chacon; Andreas Ericsson; Ian Hilt; git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why not TortoiseGit
> I read some code of TortoiseSVN and TortoiseHg Code.
> At beginning, TortoiseGit can git command to get information like
Qgit.
Show 9 quoted lines
> After linkable library ready, replace "git command".
>
> I think TortoiseGit can start base on below way.
>
> 1.  Base on TortoiseHg, It is python Script.  Replace below hg 
> operator with Git.
> 2.  Base on TortoiseSVN, It is developed with C++. Need VS2008.
> ToritoiseSVN provide some built in diff and merge tools.
> 3.  Base on Qgit, which provide some basic UI, such comment dialogbox,
> history view and file annotate.
>
>

TortoiseSVN is a good place to start because it separates out the windows icon decorators into a separate DLL (shared with TortoiseCVS). This is significant, as these are a finite resource in the windows shell, and so having a TortoiseSVN + TortoiseGIT on one machine and you might run out, and I'd imagine lots of people wanting both.

On the minus side, building (Tortoise)SVN requires a lot of environment setup just to get it to build - most of which can be immediately thrown away as it's specific to SVN.

But it doesn't look like a hard project to me, just requires stripping out a lot of junk and re-patching callouts to a git executable (which could be the standard git tools) and a minimal git library that knows if files are dirty.

Johannes Schindelin· Nov 4, 2008, 12:52 UTC · re: Li Frank · lore

RE: why not TortoiseGit

Hi,
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Li Frank wrote:
> TortoriseGIt should be in windows platform only because it is extension 
> of explore.
FYI I completely disagree with this reasoning.

Ciao, Dscho

Li Frank· Nov 11, 2008, 01:51 UTC · re: Nigel Magnay · lore

RE: why not TortoiseGit

Nigel Magnay:

I create a tortoisegit project at repo.or.cz. http://repo.or.cz/w/TortoiseGit.git

It is coming from TortoiseSVN. It is very early stage. The context menu have worked. TortoiseGitProc.exe help command have been worked.

Welcome contribute. 

Best regards Frank Li

-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Magnay [mailto:nigel.magnay@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:00 PM
To: Li Frank-B20596
Cc: Scott Chacon; Andreas Ericsson; Ian Hilt; git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why not TortoiseGit
> I read some code of TortoiseSVN and TortoiseHg Code.
> At beginning, TortoiseGit can git command to get information like
Qgit.
Show 9 quoted lines
> After linkable library ready, replace "git command".
>
> I think TortoiseGit can start base on below way.
>
> 1.  Base on TortoiseHg, It is python Script.  Replace below hg 
> operator with Git.
> 2.  Base on TortoiseSVN, It is developed with C++. Need VS2008.
> ToritoiseSVN provide some built in diff and merge tools.
> 3.  Base on Qgit, which provide some basic UI, such comment dialogbox,
> history view and file annotate.
>
>

TortoiseSVN is a good place to start because it separates out the windows icon decorators into a separate DLL (shared with TortoiseCVS). This is significant, as these are a finite resource in the windows shell, and so having a TortoiseSVN + TortoiseGIT on one machine and you might run out, and I'd imagine lots of people wanting both.

On the minus side, building (Tortoise)SVN requires a lot of environment setup just to get it to build - most of which can be immediately thrown away as it's specific to SVN.

But it doesn't look like a hard project to me, just requires stripping out a lot of junk and re-patching callouts to a git executable (which could be the standard git tools) and a minimal git library that knows if files are dirty.

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