# Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design 10 messages from 2008-07-18 to 2008-07-21. Participants: Petr Baudis, Matt Graham, Jakub Narebski, Martin Langhoff, Michael J Gruber, Johannes Schindelin. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/14523 ## Petr Baudis, 2008-07-18 10:39 Subject: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: <20080718103918.GO10151@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20080718103918.GO10151%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: <5fb1d2400807022011w7f8d79dbk68a64dc1b8b01d98@mail.gmail.com> ``` Hi, On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: > Hello Petr: > I hope you are doing well. I was looking at the git.or.cz site tonight and > thought it could perhaps use a little freshening up from a design > standpoint. Therefore, I messed around with the default stylesheet and the > home page a bit and made a logo. You can take a look at the experimental > design at this address... > http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ > > It's really just a few little changes. If you're interested in implementing > any of this into the current site, feel free to grab the changes from my > github git repository. You can see the few text changes in the diff... > http://github.com/bilson/gitorcz_redesign/tree/master I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to show this to the Git community at large. :-) If you or anyone is shooting for a re-design, I would suggest to somehow relate to the current "Git brandings" in use: http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's again better to present it explicitly, I believe. The latter is used especially within mSysGit, the former is used more widely - at the current homepage, as Gitweb logo, and in various modifications like http://git.nyh.se/git-favicon.png http://members.cox.net/junkio/git.png http://unfuddle.com/images/screens/source.big.jpg (top left ;) -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis GNU, n. An animal of South Africa, which in its domesticated state resembles a horse, a buffalo and a stag. In its wild condition it is something like a thunderbolt, an earthquake and a cyclone. -- A. Pierce ``` ## Matt Graham, 2008-07-20 21:21 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: <1c5969370807201421j7fb5a93bq665b09284af0f93a@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/1c5969370807201421j7fb5a93bq665b09284af0f93a%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20080718103918.GO10151@machine.or.cz> ``` I like the existing icons with --- +++ Please don't get rid of the minuses and pluses. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Petr Baudis wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: >> Hello Petr: >> I hope you are doing well. I was looking at the git.or.cz site tonight and >> thought it could perhaps use a little freshening up from a design >> standpoint. Therefore, I messed around with the default stylesheet and the >> home page a bit and made a logo. You can take a look at the experimental >> design at this address... >> http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ >> >> It's really just a few little changes. If you're interested in implementing >> any of this into the current site, feel free to grab the changes from my >> github git repository. You can see the few text changes in the diff... >> http://github.com/bilson/gitorcz_redesign/tree/master > > I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, > but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe > others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to > show this to the Git community at large. :-) > > If you or anyone is shooting for a re-design, I would suggest to > somehow relate to the current "Git brandings" in use: > > http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png > http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png > > If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's > again better to present it explicitly, I believe. The latter is used > especially within mSysGit, the former is used more widely - at the > current homepage, as Gitweb logo, and in various modifications like > > http://git.nyh.se/git-favicon.png > http://members.cox.net/junkio/git.png > http://unfuddle.com/images/screens/source.big.jpg > (top left ;) > > -- > Petr "Pasky" Baudis > GNU, n. An animal of South Africa, which in its domesticated state > resembles a horse, a buffalo and a stag. In its wild condition it is > something like a thunderbolt, an earthquake and a cyclone. -- A. Pierce > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > ``` ## Jakub Narebski, 2008-07-20 21:44 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/m3od4sw7qj.fsf%40localhost.localdomain In-Reply-To: <20080718103918.GO10151@machine.or.cz> ``` Petr Baudis writes: > If you or anyone is shooting for a re-design, I would suggest to > somehow relate to the current "Git brandings" in use: > > http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png > http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png > > If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's > again better to present it explicitly, I believe. The latter is used > especially within mSysGit, the former is used more widely - at the > current homepage, as Gitweb logo, and in various modifications like > > http://git.nyh.se/git-favicon.png > http://members.cox.net/junkio/git.png > http://unfuddle.com/images/screens/source.big.jpg > (top left ;) By the way, if you find some git logo, please add it to git wiki: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos I think beside the one from Unfuddle all of them are present on this page. P.S. Do anybody remember how we came about current (old) git logo? P.P.S. Petr, do you know what's the matter with Git Wiki? It looks like moin4wiki (Wikipeda-like syntax) parser is installed halfway in. -- Jakub Narebski Poland ShadeHawk on #git ``` ## Martin Langhoff, 2008-07-20 21:50 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: <46a038f90807201450w57fdb523m42bc628f2dce7f87@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/46a038f90807201450w57fdb523m42bc628f2dce7f87%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20080718103918.GO10151@machine.or.cz> ``` On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: >> http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ > I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, > but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe > others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to > show this to the Git community at large. :-) FWIW, I like it. I like both the better font and whitespace layout and the 3-color-spot-merge-to-white. As Petr says, we have had the (apologies, but to me) ugly logo for a while, so it is widely used, and perhaps it has even grown on people. BazaarNG managed to grab the best concept logo of the lot, IMHO, with the 'merge' roadsign. > If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's > again better to present it explicitly, I believe. Can we separate the 2 things? The better fonts and layout look like a win to me. WRT the logo, the current one is not a particularly strong image, and we haven't spent millions in plastering it over magazines or anything. So a good new logo would be something to take on. cheers, m -- martin.langhoff@gmail.com martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2008-07-20 22:36 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: <20080720223645.GG10151@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20080720223645.GG10151%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 02:44:54PM -0700, Jakub Narebski wrote: > P.P.S. Petr, do you know what's the matter with Git Wiki? It looks > like moin4wiki (Wikipeda-like syntax) parser is installed halfway in. As I try to mention frequently, I don't really maintain the Wiki at all. The Wikipedia syntax is a manual hack that has a weird history across random moinwiki upgrade on the machine, randomly disappearing as Debian decides to upgrade the moinwiki package. I have readded the hack now. Petr "Pasky" Baudis ``` ## Michael J Gruber, 2008-07-21 10:59 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/g61q6n%24645%241%40ger.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <46a038f90807201450w57fdb523m42bc628f2dce7f87@mail.gmail.com> ``` Martin Langhoff venit, vidit, dixit 20.07.2008 23:50: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: >>> http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ >> I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, >> but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe >> others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to >> show this to the Git community at large. :-) > > FWIW, I like it. I like both the better font and whitespace layout and > the 3-color-spot-merge-to-white. As Petr says, we have had the > (apologies, but to me) ugly logo for a while, so it is widely used, > and perhaps it has even grown on people. > > BazaarNG managed to grab the best concept logo of the lot, IMHO, with > the 'merge' roadsign. > >> If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's >> again better to present it explicitly, I believe. > > Can we separate the 2 things? The better fonts and layout look like a win to me. > > WRT the logo, the current one is not a particularly strong image, and > we haven't spent millions in plastering it over magazines or anything. > So a good new logo would be something to take on. I like that new logo (plusminus G), too, it's very descriptive. I just want to raise one question which I can't answer myself: Are there any potential issues with the Helvetica license? In any case it may be safer do redo it with a GPL sans serif font. If one wants to keep the association of the shape of "G" with a circular arrow then FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L seem to be the only options. Alternatively, it may be easier to redo it in plain PS. I'll attach 2 KISS variants. 1.5k for the eps, 3 colors only. Cheers, Michael ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2008-07-21 11:20 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.0807211218470.8986%40racer In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Michael J Gruber wrote: > Martin Langhoff venit, vidit, dixit 20.07.2008 23:50: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: > > > > http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ > > > I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, > > > but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe > > > others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to > > > show this to the Git community at large. :-) > > > > FWIW, I like it. I like both the better font and whitespace layout and > > the 3-color-spot-merge-to-white. As Petr says, we have had the > > (apologies, but to me) ugly logo for a while, so it is widely used, > > and perhaps it has even grown on people. > > > > BazaarNG managed to grab the best concept logo of the lot, IMHO, with > > the 'merge' roadsign. > > > > > If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's > > > again better to present it explicitly, I believe. > > > > Can we separate the 2 things? The better fonts and layout look like a win to > > me. > > > > WRT the logo, the current one is not a particularly strong image, and > > we haven't spent millions in plastering it over magazines or anything. > > So a good new logo would be something to take on. > > I like that new logo (plusminus G), too, it's very descriptive. I just want to > raise one question which I can't answer myself: > > Are there any potential issues with the Helvetica license? > > In any case it may be safer do redo it with a GPL sans serif font. If one > wants to keep the association of the shape of "G" with a circular arrow then > FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L seem to be the only options. > > Alternatively, it may be easier to redo it in plain PS. I'll attach 2 KISS > variants. 1.5k for the eps, 3 colors only. You could have spared yourself the trouble: http://repo.or.cz/w/msysgit.git?a=blob_plain;f=share/resources/gitlogo.svg;h=c0d67e70ab31394f0635c141998e512437a138b4;hb=HEAD Done without the use of any font at all. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Michael J Gruber, 2008-07-21 12:20 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/g61uun%24lt0%241%40ger.gmane.org In-Reply-To: ``` Johannes Schindelin venit, vidit, dixit 21.07.2008 13:20: > Hi, > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Michael J Gruber wrote: > >> Martin Langhoff venit, vidit, dixit 20.07.2008 23:50: >>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: >>>>> http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ >>>> I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, >>>> but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe >>>> others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to >>>> show this to the Git community at large. :-) >>> FWIW, I like it. I like both the better font and whitespace layout and >>> the 3-color-spot-merge-to-white. As Petr says, we have had the >>> (apologies, but to me) ugly logo for a while, so it is widely used, >>> and perhaps it has even grown on people. >>> >>> BazaarNG managed to grab the best concept logo of the lot, IMHO, with >>> the 'merge' roadsign. >>> >>>> If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's >>>> again better to present it explicitly, I believe. >>> Can we separate the 2 things? The better fonts and layout look like a win to >>> me. >>> >>> WRT the logo, the current one is not a particularly strong image, and >>> we haven't spent millions in plastering it over magazines or anything. >>> So a good new logo would be something to take on. >> I like that new logo (plusminus G), too, it's very descriptive. I just want to >> raise one question which I can't answer myself: >> >> Are there any potential issues with the Helvetica license? >> >> In any case it may be safer do redo it with a GPL sans serif font. If one >> wants to keep the association of the shape of "G" with a circular arrow then >> FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L seem to be the only options. >> >> Alternatively, it may be easier to redo it in plain PS. I'll attach 2 KISS >> variants. 1.5k for the eps, 3 colors only. > > You could have spared yourself the trouble: Thanks for the appreciation ;) > > http://repo.or.cz/w/msysgit.git?a=blob_plain;f=share/resources/gitlogo.svg;h=c0d67e70ab31394f0635c141998e512437a138b4;hb=HEAD > > Done without the use of any font at all. I don't think that was on the wiki before. Henrik's version (which was, and was being discussed here) *is* based on Helvetica. Still, the suggestion stands to replace it by something more polished. Michael ``` ## Jakub Narebski, 2008-07-21 17:23 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/m37ibfw3r7.fsf%40localhost.localdomain In-Reply-To: ``` Michael J Gruber writes: > Johannes Schindelin venit, vidit, dixit 21.07.2008 13:20: >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Michael J Gruber wrote: >>> >>> I like that new logo (plusminus G), too, it's very descriptive. >>> I just want to raise one question which I can't answer myself: >>> Are there any potential issues with the Helvetica license? >>> >>> In any case it may be safer do redo it with a GPL sans serif >>> font. If one wants to keep the association of the shape of "G" >>> with a circular arrow then FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L seem to be >>> the only options. GPL license for a _font_? Besides I think that _using_ font in a work, as opposed to adding it to some software to use, is permitted by any proprietary font license / trademark, but IANAL. >>> Alternatively, it may be easier to redo it in plain PS. I'll >>> attach 2 KISS variants. 1.5k for the eps, 3 colors only. >> >> You could have spared yourself the trouble: > > Thanks for the appreciation ;) > >> http://repo.or.cz/w/msysgit.git?a=blob_plain;f=share/resources/gitlogo.svg;h=c0d67e70ab31394f0635c141998e512437a138b4;hb=HEAD >> Done without the use of any font at all. > > I don't think that was on the wiki before. Henrik's version (which > was, and was being discussed here) *is* based on Helvetica. Both SVG version mentioned above, and your logos can be now found at http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos (please correct any mistakes). -- Jakub Narebski Poland ShadeHawk on #git ``` ## Matt Graham, 2008-07-21 20:03 Subject: Re: Git Branding Overview, Re: Git.or.cz Experimental Design Message-ID: <1c5969370807211303t538d066axb8ec2f7e3d7e853e@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/1c5969370807211303t538d066axb8ec2f7e3d7e853e%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: ``` On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Michael J Gruber wrote: > >> Martin Langhoff venit, vidit, dixit 20.07.2008 23:50: >> > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: >> > > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:02PM -0400, David Baldwin wrote: >> > > > http://baldwindev.com/git.or.cz/ >> > > I'm not sure if this is really an improvement on the current state, >> > > but then again, the current state pretty much matches my idea and maybe >> > > others will agree that your proposal is better. Thus, it's better to >> > > show this to the Git community at large. :-) >> > >> > FWIW, I like it. I like both the better font and whitespace layout and >> > the 3-color-spot-merge-to-white. As Petr says, we have had the >> > (apologies, but to me) ugly logo for a while, so it is widely used, >> > and perhaps it has even grown on people. >> > >> > BazaarNG managed to grab the best concept logo of the lot, IMHO, with >> > the 'merge' roadsign. >> > >> > > If you think you have a cooler logo, that's fine too, but then it's >> > > again better to present it explicitly, I believe. >> > >> > Can we separate the 2 things? The better fonts and layout look like a win to >> > me. >> > >> > WRT the logo, the current one is not a particularly strong image, and >> > we haven't spent millions in plastering it over magazines or anything. >> > So a good new logo would be something to take on. >> >> I like that new logo (plusminus G), too, it's very descriptive. I just want to >> raise one question which I can't answer myself: >> >> Are there any potential issues with the Helvetica license? >> >> In any case it may be safer do redo it with a GPL sans serif font. If one >> wants to keep the association of the shape of "G" with a circular arrow then >> FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L seem to be the only options. >> >> Alternatively, it may be easier to redo it in plain PS. I'll attach 2 KISS >> variants. 1.5k for the eps, 3 colors only. > > You could have spared yourself the trouble: > > http://repo.or.cz/w/msysgit.git?a=blob_plain;f=share/resources/gitlogo.svg;h=c0d67e70ab31394f0635c141998e512437a138b4;hb=HEAD The sideways Git is sweet, but as a favicon, it's awfully small. I think it would be easier to see with just the sideways G or just the +- as a favicon and the whole thing for larger images. ```