# Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l 6 messages from 2008-05-27 to 2008-05-29. Participants: Mark Lawrence, Wincent Colaiuta, Ittay Dror, Jakub Narebski, Petr Baudis, Johannes Schindelin. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/13680 ## Mark Lawrence, 2008-05-27 08:04 Subject: Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: <20080527080417.GA32209@lifebook.rekudos.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20080527080417.GA32209%40lifebook.rekudos.net ``` > On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote: > > Mark Lawrence wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having > > >trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation. > > > > > > > Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?) > > and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version > > of git. Don't use it. > > Oh. That's only slightly annoying to learn now, given > that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects > over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at > http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice > informing people of this? > > Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler > interface (and some of the output I find nicer). > > On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure > git on repos created with cogito? And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is quite low-level... Thanks, Mark. -- Mark Lawrence ``` ## Wincent Colaiuta, 2008-05-27 08:11 Subject: Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: <998860CC-E94E-4C61-964A-0CB9F44074C1@wincent.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/998860CC-E94E-4C61-964A-0CB9F44074C1%40wincent.com In-Reply-To: <20080527080417.GA32209@lifebook.rekudos.net> ``` El 27/5/2008, a las 10:04, Mark Lawrence escribió: >> On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote: >>> Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm >>>> having >>>> trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the >>>> documentation. >>>> >>> >>> Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late >>> 2006?) >>> and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent >>> version >>> of git. Don't use it. >> >> Oh. That's only slightly annoying to learn now, >> given >> that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my >> projects >> over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web >> page at >> http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice >> informing people of this? >> >> Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the >> simpler >> interface (and some of the output I find nicer). >> >> On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure >> git on repos created with cogito? > > And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that > provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is > quite low-level... The reason why cogito fell out of maintenance is that git itself has evolved from the hard-core, close-to-the-metal tool that it was in the early days to be usable by mere mortals. What specific features/ workflows of cogito are you missing? It's likely that modern git already has an equivalent that is just as easy to use. Wincent ``` ## Ittay Dror, 2008-05-27 08:33 Subject: Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: <483BC758.5000809@tikalk.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/483BC758.5000809%40tikalk.com In-Reply-To: <20080527080417.GA32209@lifebook.rekudos.net> ``` Mark Lawrence wrote: > And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that > provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is > quite low-level... > maybe easy-git is for you. http://www.gnome.org/~newren/eg. > Thanks, > Mark. > -- Ittay Dror Tikal Tikal Project ``` ## Jakub Narebski, 2008-05-27 08:48 Subject: Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/m3mymc2kv6.fsf%40localhost.localdomain In-Reply-To: <20080527080417.GA32209@lifebook.rekudos.net> ``` Mark Lawrence writes: >> On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote: >>> Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>> >>>>I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having >>>>trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation. >>> >>> Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?) >>> and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version >>> of git. Don't use it. >> >> Oh. That's only slightly annoying to learn now, given >> that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects >> over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at >> http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice >> informing people of this? Git Homepage (http://git.or.cz/) states: Cogito Cogito was a popular version control system on top of Git, aiming at seamless user interface and ease of use. It provided much better user interface in the past but later improvements of Git made it mostly obsolete and it is not maintained anymore. Please migrate to Git itself. I guess that it should be mentioned stronly also on Cogito homepage, although the date of latest release ([2006-10-19]) is a bit of hint... BTW. maintaner (Petr Baudis ) welcomes patches; the repository is at http://repo.or.cz/r/git-homepage.git >> Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler >> interface (and some of the output I find nicer). BTW. I think one of the reasons Cogito died was that it tried to hide index, and used single branch per repository paradigm when dealing with remote repositories while git acquired powerful tool (git-remote) to deal with multi-branches remote repositories... and author/maintainer didn't have time to modify Cogito to include those features. I'd say that Cogito was one of forces behind making Git easier to use (for example git-filter-branch is the equivalent of cg-admin-rewrite-hist, a single thing that was possible in Cogito but was not possible in Git, created when Cogito was announced to be no longer maintained/abandoned). >> On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure >> git on repos created with cogito? I don't thinks so. > And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that > provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is > quite low-level... There are two projects aiming at easier git experience: EasyGit (which is mainly documentation improvement) and Pyrite (which will include GUI), but IIRC both are in early stages of development. P.S. As Cogito is OSS project, you can always [try to] revive it, I think even without changing its name... -- Jakub Narebski Poland ShadeHawk on #git ``` ## Petr Baudis, 2008-05-29 17:28 Subject: Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: <20080529172817.GA18781@machine.or.cz> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20080529172817.GA18781%40machine.or.cz In-Reply-To: ``` On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:48:29AM +0200, Jakub Narebski wrote: > Mark Lawrence writes: > > >> On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote: > >>> Mark Lawrence wrote: > >>>> > >>>>I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having > >>>>trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation. > >>> > >>> Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?) > >>> and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version > >>> of git. Don't use it. > >> > >> Oh. That's only slightly annoying to learn now, given > >> that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects > >> over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at > >> http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice > >> informing people of this? > > Git Homepage (http://git.or.cz/) states: > > Cogito > > Cogito was a popular version control system on top of Git, aiming > at seamless user interface and ease of use. It provided much > better user interface in the past but later improvements of Git > made it mostly obsolete and it is not maintained anymore. Please > migrate to Git itself. > > I guess that it should be mentioned stronly also on Cogito homepage, > although the date of latest release ([2006-10-19]) is a bit of hint... Good point. I have added a hint. > >> Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler > >> interface (and some of the output I find nicer). > > BTW. I think one of the reasons Cogito died was that it tried to hide > index, and used single branch per repository paradigm when dealing > with remote repositories while git acquired powerful tool (git-remote) > to deal with multi-branches remote repositories... and > author/maintainer didn't have time to modify Cogito to include those > features. I think hiding index was not a mistake and certainly not a reason of death. It died mainly because I lost motivation to extend it as Git rapidly improved its user interface, and indeed also because of the work required to implement remotes tracking (I did have some work in progress that I'm not sure if I ever published; if anyone is interested, I can push it somewhere). > I'd say that Cogito was one of forces behind making Git easier to use > (for example git-filter-branch is the equivalent of cg-admin-rewrite-hist, > a single thing that was possible in Cogito but was not possible in Git, > created when Cogito was announced to be no longer maintained/abandoned). (Not single. I still use cg-export in some of my workflows to export tree of some commit quickly. And I still did not have time to add support for |fmt'ing git commit's -m arguments. But these are the only things that I can think of straight away.) > >> On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure > >> git on repos created with cogito? > > I don't thinks so. Not strictly, but Cogito uses very old-style remote repositories tracking model. I think Git still technically supports it, but you might get confused when seeing hints and documentation expecting the modern setup. You do not need to do anything about the central repositories but I would advise you to simply re-clone the leaf repositories. > P.S. As Cogito is OSS project, you can always [try to] revive it, > I think even without changing its name... I hoped somebody would when I announced end-of-life from my side, but frankly I don't think it's worthwhile at this point. Cogito was Git's counterpart for the whole of Git's early life and it shows in the code very much - it goes at great lengths to achieve things that you would do trivially with the newer Git interfaces. It's probably better idea to hack away at things like EasyGit or even better improve documentation and usage of Git itself. -- Petr "Pasky" Baudis Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. -- J. W. von Goethe ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2008-05-29 22:17 Subject: fmt, was Re: [cogito-0.18.2] Documentation/Code Mismatch: cg-switch -l Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/alpine.DEB.1.00.0805292315490.13507%40racer.site.net In-Reply-To: <20080529172817.GA18781@machine.or.cz> ``` Hi, On Thu, 29 May 2008, Petr Baudis wrote: > I still did not have time to add support for |fmt'ing git commit's -m > arguments. Note that I have a git-fmt in my personal fork that might have the building blocks to provide a --fmt option to git-commit one day. Ciao, Dscho ```