# Many gits are offline this week 22 messages from 2007-10-05 to 2007-10-28. Participants: Shawn O. Pearce, Randal L. Schwartz, Johannes Schindelin, alan, Paolo Ciarrocchi, Dmitry Potapov, Frank Lichtenheld, David Brown, Jeff King, Pierre Habouzit, Lars Hjemli, Steven Grimm, Daniel Barkalow, Mike Hommey. Thread: https://gitlist.dev/t/10151 ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2007-10-05 01:04 Subject: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005010448.GQ2137%40spearce.org ``` Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit. We also just received word from Junio that he is also likely to be offline this next week. Junio has some business that needs his immediate attention, so he won't be his usual attentive self on the mailing list. With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online? -- Shawn. ``` ## Randal L. Schwartz, 2007-10-05 01:27 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/863awq5p1y.fsf%40blue.stonehenge.com In-Reply-To: <20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org> ``` >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code Shawn> Mentor Summit. Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2007-10-05 01:36 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/Pine.LNX.4.64.0710050236100.4174%40racer.site In-Reply-To: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` Hi, On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: > > Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four > Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code > Shawn> Mentor Summit. > > Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on > 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) We will not. I'll watch the YouTube video a hundred times. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2007-10-05 01:43 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/Pine.LNX.4.64.0710050240460.4174%40racer.site In-Reply-To: <20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org> ``` Hi, On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four days as > we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit. While at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a few hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night. So everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git Day. Sadly, Junio is not able to attend, but I will hoist a drink or three to him. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2007-10-05 01:43 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005014339.GT2137@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005014339.GT2137%40spearce.org In-Reply-To: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: > > Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four > Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code > Shawn> Mentor Summit. > > Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on > 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) Yea, seeing as how I've never had the chance to see you give a talk I am quite disappointed by the poor timing. I'll just have to catch the talk on Google Video. And shout questions at my wall to see if you can answer them. -- Shawn. ``` ## alan, 2007-10-05 01:59 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/Pine.LNX.4.64.0710041857220.20082%40blackbox.fnordora.org In-Reply-To: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: > > Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four > Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code > Shawn> Mentor Summit. > > Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on > 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) Are you going to have the same heckler as the Advanced Topics meeting? ]:> -- Never trust a queue structure designed by a cryptographer. ``` ## Paolo Ciarrocchi, 2007-10-05 09:14 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <4d8e3fd30710050214j135260cn842ee7396a3d63c7@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/4d8e3fd30710050214j135260cn842ee7396a3d63c7%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` On 10/5/07, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: > > Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four > Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code > Shawn> Mentor Summit. > > Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on > 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) Hi Randal, is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks? Thanks! Regards, -- Paolo http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/ http://ubuntista.blogspot.com ``` ## Randal L. Schwartz, 2007-10-05 13:12 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/86tzp54sez.fsf%40blue.stonehenge.com In-Reply-To: <4d8e3fd30710050214j135260cn842ee7396a3d63c7@mail.gmail.com> ``` >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes: Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks? I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ``` ## Dmitry Potapov, 2007-10-05 14:41 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <37fcd2780710050741x1760a585yeaa9023a8d8cdccf@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/37fcd2780710050741x1760a585yeaa9023a8d8cdccf%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` Hi Randal, > I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so > hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at > > http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads: "git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit" But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit". Dmitry ``` ## Frank Lichtenheld, 2007-10-05 15:13 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005151355.GO31659@planck.djpig.de> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005151355.GO31659%40planck.djpig.de In-Reply-To: <20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org> ``` On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps > someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio > has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online? While I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I will at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating around the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one batch. Gruesse, -- Frank Lichtenheld www: http://www.djpig.de/ ``` ## David Brown, 2007-10-05 16:20 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005162029.GA18522@old.davidb.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005162029.GA18522%40old.davidb.org In-Reply-To: <37fcd2780710050741x1760a585yeaa9023a8d8cdccf@mail.gmail.com> ``` On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:41:43PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote: >I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads: >"git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit" > >But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so >it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit". "git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas "git-add" does not. In fact, I haven't found an easy way to detect this other than "git-commit -a", and it is the only reason I ever run "git-commit -a" Dave ``` ## Dmitry Potapov, 2007-10-05 17:19 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <37fcd2780710051019l37b3dde2p57f24fef27b62bf6@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/37fcd2780710051019l37b3dde2p57f24fef27b62bf6%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20071005162029.GA18522@old.davidb.org> ``` > >I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads: > >"git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit" > > > >But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so > >it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit". > > "git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas > "git-add" does not. I just tried "git-add -u ." and it *does* detect deleted files. $ git-status # On branch master nothing to commit (working directory clean) $ rm oldfile $ git-status # On branch master # Changed but not updated: # (use "git add/rm ..." to update what will be committed) # # deleted: oldfile # no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a") $ git-add -u . $ git-status # On branch master # Changes to be committed: # (use "git reset HEAD ..." to unstage) # # deleted: oldfile # $ git-commit Created commit 17e2bba: delete 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) delete mode 100644 oldfile So, it works exactly as "git-commit -a" in this case. Dmitry ``` ## Jeff King, 2007-10-05 18:33 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005183333.GF13757@coredump.intra.peff.net> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005183333.GF13757%40coredump.intra.peff.net In-Reply-To: <37fcd2780710051019l37b3dde2p57f24fef27b62bf6@mail.gmail.com> ``` On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 09:19:02PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote: > > "git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas > > "git-add" does not. > I just tried "git-add -u ." and it *does* detect deleted files. IIRC, this was a fix by Junio recently, but I can't seem to find the commit. -Peff ``` ## Pierre Habouzit, 2007-10-05 20:26 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071005202601.GD31646@artemis.corp> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071005202601.GD31646%40artemis.corp In-Reply-To: <20071005151355.GO31659@planck.djpig.de> ``` On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 03:13:55PM +0000, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > > With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps > > someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio > > has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online? > > While I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I > will at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating > around the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one > batch. I won't have the time either, though even if I keep posting patches on the list, I'll resubmit a digest of mines when Junio will be back online. (or share a public git repository so that he can directly fetch from there). -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O madcoder@debian.org OOO http://www.madism.org ``` ## Lars Hjemli, 2007-10-06 09:05 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <8c5c35580710060205p11b3a122wb5a0d99f06a307d3@mail.gmail.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/8c5c35580710060205p11b3a122wb5a0d99f06a307d3%40mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org> ``` On 10/5/07, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps > someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio > has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online? I'll collect patches from the list for a few days and put them into topic-branches on git://hjemli.net/pub/git/git. -- larsh ``` ## Steven Grimm, 2007-10-07 04:59 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <470867BC.8040909@midwinter.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/470867BC.8040909%40midwinter.com In-Reply-To: ``` Johannes Schindelin wrote: > While at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a > few hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night. > So everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git > Day. > Here are the details for anyone who can show up: Time: 12 noon Place: Gordon Biersch Brewery, 640 Emerson St., Palo Alto Web: http://www.gordonbiersch.com/restaurants/index.php?pg=location&sub=loc&location_id=15 Facebook event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=5037248613 (obviously not required, but it might give other people some idea who to expect) Hope to see some folks there! -Steve ``` ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2007-10-07 17:01 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071007170153.GX2137%40spearce.org In-Reply-To: <86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes: > > Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks? > > I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so > hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at > > http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf > > I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing > graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section. What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users than qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains on slide 15 as: Other porcelain exists: - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt - tig (curses-based viewer) - qgit, git-gui On slide 26 you say "gitk mytopic origin" shows the changes back to the common ancestor. That's what "gitk mytopic...origin" would do. Note the three dots instead of the space. The space will cause gitk to show all history back to the beginning of time. On slide 27 you say that you can rebase your changes on upstream using "git-rebase origin/master master". That's a lot more typing than is required, most people will want to rebase their current branch onto the upstream and thus will use "git-rebase origin/master". Personally I think combining git-checkout's branch switch feature into git-rebase is stupid. It really makes things confusing. But its supported. :-( -- Shawn. ``` ## Daniel Barkalow, 2007-10-07 19:04 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/Pine.LNX.4.64.0710071457580.23070%40iabervon.org In-Reply-To: <20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org> ``` On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote: > "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes: > > > > Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks? > > > > I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so > > hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at > > > > http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf > > > > I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing > > graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section. > > What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users > than qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains > on slide 15 as: > > Other porcelain exists: > - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt > - tig (curses-based viewer) > - qgit, git-gui For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ``` ## Randal L. Schwartz, 2007-10-07 19:37 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <86ve9i1ztl.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/86ve9i1ztl.fsf%40blue.stonehenge.com In-Reply-To: <20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org> ``` >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: Shawn> What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users Shawn> than qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains Shawn> on slide 15 as: Shawn> Other porcelain exists: Shawn> - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt Shawn> - tig (curses-based viewer) Shawn> - qgit, git-gui git-gui should have been mentioned with "the git distro". Fixed. Shawn> On slide 26 you say "gitk mytopic origin" shows the changes back to Shawn> the common ancestor. That's what "gitk mytopic...origin" would do. Shawn> Note the three dots instead of the space. The space will cause Shawn> gitk to show all history back to the beginning of time. Darned inconsistency! Sometimes, it's a space. Sometimes it's two dots. Sometimes, it's three dots. I know, there's reasons for that, but it's still hard for the newbie. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ``` ## Johannes Schindelin, 2007-10-07 22:31 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/Pine.LNX.4.64.0710072331050.4174%40racer.site In-Reply-To: ``` Hi, On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this > points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is > unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this. I do not consider viewers "porcelain". And gitweb is essentially just a viewer. Ciao, Dscho ``` ## Shawn O. Pearce, 2007-10-07 23:09 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071007230953.GC2137@spearce.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071007230953.GC2137%40spearce.org In-Reply-To: ``` Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > > > For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this > > points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is > > unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this. > > I do not consider viewers "porcelain". And gitweb is essentially just a > viewer. So you don't consider gitk to be porcelain? I do. The plumbing output of git-rev-list is uh, ugly. gitk may still not be the best looking application on the internet but it sure beats looking at rev-list output by eye. Porcelain is really anything that calls plumbing to make the task of invoking or processing the output of plumbing easier on the human using it. That's it. Obviously you can work Git by just the plumbing. Just like you can compute SHA-1 by hand. You just choose not to as the time it would take is more than you want to invest. Or have left in this mortal existance... I almost always forget about the web interfaces. There's a number of them and I don't use them often enough to really think about it. I don't know why I always forget about them. I never forget about StGit or qgit, and yet I never use those either... -- Shawn. ``` ## Mike Hommey, 2007-10-28 10:07 Subject: Re: Many gits are offline this week Message-ID: <20071028100735.GA27446@glandium.org> URL: https://gitlist.dev/e/20071028100735.GA27446%40glandium.org In-Reply-To: <863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> ``` On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:27:05PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce writes: > > Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four > Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code > Shawn> Mentor Summit. > > Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on > 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :) Not that it's hard to find, but just for the record, Randal's talk can be viewed on http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1251251453592758541 Mike ```