From: Holger Hellmuth <hellmuth@ira.uka.de>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:07:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Command-line interface thoughts
Message-ID: <4DF25D50.5020107@ira.uka.de>
In-Reply-To: <201106101844.16146.jnareb@gmail.com>

On 10.06.2011 18:44, Jakub Narebski wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Holger Hellmuth wrote:
>> Also there are no good words for what someone wants to see in this case.
>> At least I would assume the git project would have found them if they
>> existed. '--cached' is definitely not one of them. But we have fitting
>> and widely known names for the targets, i.e 'working tree', 'index' and
>> 'head'.
>
> "I want to see if there are any remiaining changes", "I want to see what
> 'git commit' would bring", "I want to see what 'git commit -a' would bring".
> Neither of those is about targets for diff.

Are you proposing a command "git 
--I-want-to-see-if-there-are-any-remaining-changes" ? ;-). I was looking 
for short command or parameter names that are easy to remember, not for 
definitions of the output of cryptic commands.

But lets see. If I didn't know much git, where would I look for the 
right command for your three needs? Where would I expect the solution? 
(note I'm not proposing any of these commands)

"I want to see if there are any remiaining changes"?
git status
git status --full
git status --detailed

"I want to see what 'git commit' would bring"
git commit --dry-run

"I want to see what 'git commit -a' would bring"
git commit -a --dry-run

Now I'll add a question I would want to ask:
"I want to see the changes between what I have in my working tree and 
what I already added to the index"
git diff WTREE INDEX


Btw. even the 'git diff' man page emphasizes that diff is about a 
comparision between two things. Citation: "Show changes *between* two 
trees, a tree and the working tree, a tree and the index file,...".


> [...]
>>> The "git diff NEXT WTREE" looks like training wheels to me.  And like
>>> training wheels they could become obstacles and not help to learning
>>> git.  Neverthemind they can snag on sharp corners^W corner-cases. ;-)))
>>
>> If your goal is that anyone who uses git is a git expert, they may be a
>> hindrance (as are all the porcelain commands really). If you also want
>> to make git friendly to people who will never get past intermediate or
>> beginner stage or will only use a small part of git or use git seldomly,
>> training wheels are good.
>
> Those "training wheels" are useless for beginner, and might be not very
> useful to middle expert user either, depending on corner cases.

"useless for beginner". No reasoning, just a fat road block for my opinion?
As git expert you are so far removed from any beginner status. Are you 
sure you still know how a beginner thinks?

Holger.