From: Paul Franz <thefranz@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:49:46 GMT
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: C++ *for Git*
Message-ID: <46F6A73A.3010203@comcast.net>
In-Reply-To: <85zlzdo3ch.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>

To me the methods that an OO class defines is the same thing as an API.  
And you can screw up an API whether it is C++ or C. Both give you the 
same opportunity to screw up the model and create code that needs to be 
re-written.

Paul Franz

David Kastrup wrote:
> "Marco Costalba" <mcostalba@gmail.com> writes:
>
>   
>> On 9/23/07, Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org> wrote:
>>     
>>>> Object oriented languages creates black boxes: that's the reason
>>>> why object oriented exsists and also the reason why Linus hates
>>>> it ;-)
>>>>         
>
>   
>>> So please stop with this myth. And don't speak for people, I would
>>> be very surprised that Linus would dislike "black
>>> boxes". Abstractions are good, when used wisely, and I would be
>>> much surprised to see Linus pretend otherwise.
>>>       
>> From a Linus recent thread:
>>
>>     
>>> In other words, the only way to do good, efficient, and system-level
>>> and portable C++ ends up to limit yourself to all the things that
>>> are basically available in C. And limiting your project to C means
>>> that people don't screw that up, and also means that you get a lot
>>> of programmers that do actually understand low-level issues and
>>> don't screw things up with any idiotic "object model" crap.
>>>       
>> Perhaps I have misunderstood, but the idea I got is that for Linus
>> OO brings in more problems than what it tries to fix.
>>     
>
> I read that as OO bringing in more programmers capable of creating
> problems than those capable of fixing them.
>
> It is not the fault of OO in itself, but it is the bottom line that
> counts: if it draws the wrong audience for the wrong reasons, it
> better had great benefits to offset that.  Not quite unsimilar with
> communism: the idea is great in principle, but the idea has no
> built-in self-check.  Capitalism, in contrast, is a distasteful idea
> at its heart, but it is rooted soundly in individual egoism.  Which
> does not make it any less distasteful, but at least it tends to work.
>
>   

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