{"thread":{"id":"9359","subject":"Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","startedAt":"2007-08-02T21:23:36Z","lastAt":"2007-08-09T13:55:54Z","messageCount":53,"participants":["Johannes Schindelin","Dmitry Kakurin","Marius Storm-Olsen","Matthieu Moy","Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy","Mike Pape","Torgil Svensson","Alex Riesen"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"49487","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708022206130.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-02T21:23:36Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-02T21:23:36Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nI finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get granted. \nIn the meantime, I registered a project at\n\n\thttp://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n\n(WARNING: temporary only!)\n\nWould you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per file, and \n100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same Google that gives \nyou 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is ludicrous.\n\nAnyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files (because \none would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is written on the \nwebsite if you're really interested.\n\nThe plan is to move to Source forget ;-) when they finally approve the \nproject, or stay with Google, should they decide to lift the quota a bit.\n\nDmitry already reported a buglet preventing gcc to run without changes on \nVista, his theory is that the infamous access() function is at fault. So \nif you are unlucky enough to be stuck with Vista, just copy \nmsysGit/mingw/libexec/gcc/mingw32/3.4.2/cc1.exe to msysGit/mingw/bin/ and \nyou're set.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49550","messageId":"460B6BF8541C4D9B916F02A12E0576F5@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708022206130.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Dmitry Kakurin","fromEmail":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T06:56:00Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T06:56:00Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Great job! Because finding and installing MSys, MinGW and dependencies was not trivial at all.\nI have 2 suggestions for this package:\n1. Remove git repository from it. It will make a download much smaller (~20MB smaller) and include the minimum git functionality to \npull mingw git from the server (may be even automatically on first startup).\n2. Add gdb. Not much could be done without it.\n\nWith this package (+gdb) it took me about an hour to figure out why git is broken on Vista (this includes learning how to use gdb \n:-). So you should expect much higher level of participation on the Windows side.\n\nP.S. If package becomes sufficiently small for a single file, try to remove 7zip dependency (use WinZip instead). The easier the \ninstallation the better.\n\n- Dmitry\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: \"Johannes Schindelin\" \nNewsgroups: gmane.comp.version-control.git\nTo: \nSent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:23\nSubject: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)\n\n\nHi,\n\nI finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get granted.\nIn the meantime, I registered a project at\n\nhttp://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n\n(WARNING: temporary only!)\n\nWould you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per file, and\n100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same Google that gives\nyou 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is ludicrous.\n\nAnyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files (because\none would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is written on the\nwebsite if you're really interested.\n\nThe plan is to move to Source forget ;-) when they finally approve the\nproject, or stay with Google, should they decide to lift the quota a bit.\n\nDmitry already reported a buglet preventing gcc to run without changes on\nVista, his theory is that the infamous access() function is at fault. So\nif you are unlucky enough to be stuck with Vista, just copy\nmsysGit/mingw/libexec/gcc/mingw32/3.4.2/cc1.exe to msysGit/mingw/bin/ and\nyou're set.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49552","messageId":"46B2D4D9.4020103@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"460B6BF8541C4D9B916F02A12E0576F5@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T07:10:17Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T07:10:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Dmitry Kakurin said the following on 03.08.2007 08:56:\n> Great job! Because finding and installing MSys, MinGW and dependencies was not trivial at all.\n> I have 2 suggestions for this package:\n> 1. Remove git repository from it. It will make a download much smaller (~20MB smaller) and include the minimum git functionality to \n> pull mingw git from the server (may be even automatically on first startup).\n> 2. Add gdb. Not much could be done without it.\n> \n> With this package (+gdb) it took me about an hour to figure out why git is broken on Vista (this includes learning how to use gdb \n> :-). So you should expect much higher level of participation on the Windows side.\n> \n> P.S. If package becomes sufficiently small for a single file, try to remove 7zip dependency (use WinZip instead). The easier the \n> installation the better.\n\nHeh, why don't you try to do this yourself? Johannes as kind enough to \ngo out of his way to actually do all that he has already.\nSeems like you feel strongly for it, so it shouldn't be too much \neffort for you. If you provide Johannes with a link to a package of \nwhich you speak, I'm sure he'll happily upload it to the google \nproject page.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49555","messageId":"46B2D547.6050406@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708022206130.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T07:12:07Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T07:12:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"> I finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get\n> granted. In the meantime, I registered a project at\n> \n> http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n> \n> (WARNING: temporary only!)\n> \n> Would you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per\n> file, and 100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same\n> Google that gives you 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is\n> ludicrous.\n> \n> Anyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files\n> (because one would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is\n> written on the website if you're really interested.\n\nGreat effort Johannes!\nThe package work perfectly on XP.\nI'm trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing \nnice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access Denied\" \nand other things. Grrr)\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49557","messageId":"46B2D880.1000503@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B2D547.6050406@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T07:25:52Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T07:25:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">> Anyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files\n>> (because one would be too large), and... oh well, just read what\n>> is written on the website if you're really interested.\n> \n> Great effort Johannes! The package work perfectly on XP. I'm trying\n> to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing nice\n> with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access Denied\" \n> and other things. Grrr)\n\nActually turns out that Wine doesn't like that the sound library is \nmissing. So, installing libjack make it barf less..\nActually compiling in Wine now with your package, though _sooo_ much \nslower than on XP :-)\n\nYes, I know cross-compiling is faster. But if using this package would \ncompile successfully on Linux too, then we only need to maintain one \nMinGW setup for compiling Git on both Windows and Linux. Worth a try \nat least.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49567","messageId":"vpq4pjh3sec.fsf@bauges.imag.fr","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708022206130.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Matthieu Moy","fromEmail":"matthieu.moy@imag.fr","sentAt":"2007-08-03T08:59:39Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T08:59:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@matthieu-moy.fr","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/14709?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> The plan is to move to Source forget ;-) when they finally approve the \n> project, or stay with Google, should they decide to lift the quota a bit.\n\nYou can also have a look at https://gna.org/ (a Savannah-like\nnon-commercial project hosting).\n\n-- \nMatthieu\n"},{"id":"49573","messageId":"a1bbc6950708030258h16a6514kf5c637af13874fb7@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B2D4D9.4020103@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Dmitry Kakurin","fromEmail":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T09:58:16Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T09:58:16Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Fair enough.\nJohannes, please add me as a user to this Google project and I'll\nupload the files.\nThe changes that I've made:\n* removed .git in /git directory to save space\n* installed gdb\n* applied my Vista fix\n* made self-extracting .rar archive\n\nTatal size is 19+4 MB.\n\n- Dmitry\n\nOn 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> Dmitry Kakurin said the following on 03.08.2007 08:56:\n> > Great job! Because finding and installing MSys, MinGW and dependencies was not trivial at all.\n> > I have 2 suggestions for this package:\n> > 1. Remove git repository from it. It will make a download much smaller (~20MB smaller) and include the minimum git functionality to\n> > pull mingw git from the server (may be even automatically on first startup).\n> > 2. Add gdb. Not much could be done without it.\n> >\n> > With this package (+gdb) it took me about an hour to figure out why git is broken on Vista (this includes learning how to use gdb\n> > :-). So you should expect much higher level of participation on the Windows side.\n> >\n> > P.S. If package becomes sufficiently small for a single file, try to remove 7zip dependency (use WinZip instead). The easier the\n> > installation the better.\n>\n> Heh, why don't you try to do this yourself? Johannes as kind enough to\n> go out of his way to actually do all that he has already.\n> Seems like you feel strongly for it, so it shouldn't be too much\n> effort for you. If you provide Johannes with a link to a package of\n> which you speak, I'm sure he'll happily upload it to the google\n> project page.\n>\n> --\n> .marius\n>\n>\n>\n"},{"id":"49575","messageId":"fcaeb9bf0708030417y39f84db2lb0b202af57d8fccb@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B2D547.6050406@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy","fromEmail":"pclouds@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:17:15Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:17:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pclouds@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/720?v=4"},"body":"On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > I finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get\n> > granted. In the meantime, I registered a project at\n> >\n> > http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n> >\n> > (WARNING: temporary only!)\n> >\n> > Would you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per\n> > file, and 100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same\n> > Google that gives you 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is\n> > ludicrous.\n> >\n> > Anyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files\n> > (because one would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is\n> > written on the website if you're really interested.\n>\n> Great effort Johannes!\n> The package work perfectly on XP.\n> I'm trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing\n> nice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access Denied\"\n> and other things. Grrr)\n\nEven if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly because a\nbug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others that I think only\naffect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare to fix Wine along the\nway.\n\n-- \nDuy\n"},{"id":"49576","messageId":"46B31181.5020007@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fcaeb9bf0708030417y39f84db2lb0b202af57d8fccb@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:29:05Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:29:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">> Great effort Johannes! The package work perfectly on XP. I'm\n>> trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing\n>> nice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access\n>> Denied\" and other things. Grrr)\n> \n> Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly\n> because a bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others that\n> I think only affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare to fix\n> Wine along the way.\n\nYeah, I wasn't going to use it under Wine actually. Just wanted to see \nif I could get it building there, to ease automated packaging later. \nHowever, I've given up on it, due to a perl issue, which might be \ncaused by the issue you describe.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49577","messageId":"fcaeb9bf0708030436q50322fbbne3a793d693e9f0e3@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B31181.5020007@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy","fromEmail":"pclouds@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:36:39Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:36:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pclouds@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/720?v=4"},"body":"On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> >> Great effort Johannes! The package work perfectly on XP. I'm\n> >> trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing\n> >> nice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access\n> >> Denied\" and other things. Grrr)\n> >\n> > Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly\n> > because a bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others that\n> > I think only affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare to fix\n> > Wine along the way.\n>\n> Yeah, I wasn't going to use it under Wine actually. Just wanted to see\n> if I could get it building there, to ease automated packaging later.\n> However, I've given up on it, due to a perl issue, which might be\n> caused by the issue you describe.\n\nYou could cross-compile it. You'll need a cross toolchain, zlib stuff\nand a good config.mak (I can send you one if you have trouble with\nit).\n-- \nDuy\n"},{"id":"49578","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031224530.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fcaeb9bf0708030417y39f84db2lb0b202af57d8fccb@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:37:42Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:37:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote:\n\n> On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > > I finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get\n> > > granted. In the meantime, I registered a project at\n> > >\n> > > http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n> > >\n> > > (WARNING: temporary only!)\n> > >\n> > > Would you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per\n> > > file, and 100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same\n> > > Google that gives you 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is\n> > > ludicrous.\n> > >\n> > > Anyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files\n> > > (because one would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is\n> > > written on the website if you're really interested.\n> >\n> > Great effort Johannes!\n> > The package work perfectly on XP.\n> > I'm trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing\n> > nice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access Denied\"\n> > and other things. Grrr)\n> \n> Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly because a\n> bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others that I think only\n> affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare to fix Wine along the\n> way.\n\nI do not have XP. So I very much would appreciate any work done on Wine. \n\nAs it happens, I have a hanging rxvt now (still investigating what causes \nit; ever since wine-0.9.30-466-gb0e9d7e it stopped working for me).\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49580","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031240450.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"a1bbc6950708030258h16a6514kf5c637af13874fb7@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:43:11Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:43:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n\n> Johannes, please add me as a user to this Google project and I'll\n> upload the files.\n\nDone.\n\n> The changes that I've made:\n> * removed .git in /git directory to save space\n> * installed gdb\n> * applied my Vista fix\n> * made self-extracting .rar archive\n> \n> Tatal size is 19+4 MB.\n\nWith Vista fix you mean both adding the USE_MINGW_ACCESS define and \ncopying cc1.exe to /bin?\n\nAnd have you tried a 7-zip LZMA self extracting file? I guess it is \nsmaller: for the moment I have two files there, totalling 30.2M. 15M of \nwhich is the virtually uncompressible pack file in .git/. Which leaves...\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49579","messageId":"46B314E6.8030806@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fcaeb9bf0708030436q50322fbbne3a793d693e9f0e3@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:43:34Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:43:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>> Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly \n>>> because a bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others\n>>> that I think only affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare\n>>> to fix Wine along the way.\n>> Yeah, I wasn't going to use it under Wine actually. Just wanted\n>> to see if I could get it building there, to ease automated\n>> packaging later. However, I've given up on it, due to a perl\n>> issue, which might be caused by the issue you describe.\n> \n> You could cross-compile it. You'll need a cross toolchain, zlib\n> stuff and a good config.mak (I can send you one if you have trouble\n> with it).\n\nI would definitely be interested in your config.mak file!\nThanks!\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49581","messageId":"fcaeb9bf0708030448id1d961dv58264da335526aad@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031224530.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy","fromEmail":"pclouds@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:48:47Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:48:47Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pclouds@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/720?v=4"},"body":"On 8/3/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n>\n> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote:\n>\n> > On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > > > I finally broke down, waiting for the sourceforge project to get\n> > > > granted. In the meantime, I registered a project at\n> > > >\n> > > > http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/\n> > > >\n> > > > (WARNING: temporary only!)\n> > > >\n> > > > Would you believe that Google code has a restriction to 20MB per\n> > > > file, and 100MB in total, and you cannot remove files? The same\n> > > > Google that gives you 1TB mail space and counting? Yes, it is\n> > > > ludicrous.\n> > > >\n> > > > Anyway, you can get a complete Development environment in 3 files\n> > > > (because one would be too large), and... oh well, just read what is\n> > > > written on the website if you're really interested.\n> > >\n> > > Great effort Johannes!\n> > > The package work perfectly on XP.\n> > > I'm trying to get it to work under Wine, but it (Wine) is not playing\n> > > nice with me at the moment. (The whole system barfs of \"Access Denied\"\n> > > and other things. Grrr)\n> >\n> > Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly because a\n> > bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others that I think only\n> > affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare to fix Wine along the\n> > way.\n>\n> I do not have XP. So I very much would appreciate any work done on Wine.\n>\n> As it happens, I have a hanging rxvt now (still investigating what causes\n> it; ever since wine-0.9.30-466-gb0e9d7e it stopped working for me).\n\nI attached what I did with Wine until now. You probably only need\npatch 2 but if you are going to test gitbox, you'll need patch 1 as\nwell. It is based on wine-0.9.41-313-gd0b21ab. With these patches, I\ncan run git tests under Wine.\nAh, and if you want to run tests under Wine, beware that setting TZ in\nscripts has no effect. You have to set TZ before running wine.\n\n>\n> Ciao,\n> Dscho\n>\n>\n\n\n-- \nDuy\n"},{"id":"49582","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031243330.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"a1bbc6950708030258h16a6514kf5c637af13874fb7@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:50:12Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:50:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n\n> The changes that I've made:\n> * removed .git in /git directory to save space\n> * installed gdb\n> * applied my Vista fix\n> * made self-extracting .rar archive\n\nCompletely forgot: we might want to do something like this at the end of \n/etc/profile:\n\n\ttest ! -d /git || {\n\t\tmv /git $HOME/ &&\n\t\tcd $HOME/git &&\n\t\tmake install &&\n\t\tgit config remote.origin.url \\\n\t\t\tgit://repo.or.cz/git/mingw.git\n\t\tgit config remote.origin.fetch \\\n\t\t\t'+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*'\n\t\tgit config remote.mob.url \\\n\t\t\trepo.or.cz:/srv/git/git/mingw.git\n\t\tgit config remote.mob.fetch \\\n\t\t\t+refs/remote/mob:refs/remotes/origin/mob\n\t\tgit config remote.mob.push \\\n\t\t\tmaster:mob\n\t\tgit fetch\n\t\tgit reset 51785010a4d3e7f6c3\n\t}\n\nPlease test that, and include it if it works.\n\nIt would be a bit easier if perl would work (it is installed, but for some \nreason (cd perl && make) does not do its job).\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49583","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031258020.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fcaeb9bf0708030448id1d961dv58264da335526aad@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T11:59:20Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T11:59:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote:\n\n> I attached what I did with Wine until now. You probably only need patch \n> 2 but if you are going to test gitbox, you'll need patch 1 as well. It \n> is based on wine-0.9.41-313-gd0b21ab. With these patches, I can run git \n> tests under Wine.\n\nThank you very much!\n\nOnce the compile finished (my machine is exquisitely slow today), I'll \ntest if it Works For Me.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49584","messageId":"fcaeb9bf0708030514n7f1c4fecqf7c850d216d0583@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B314E6.8030806@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy","fromEmail":"pclouds@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T12:14:01Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T12:14:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pclouds@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/720?v=4"},"body":"[CC'd to git ML so that if anyone needs it again, google might help]\n\nOn 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> >>> Even if it installs ok under Wine, git may not work properly\n> >>> because a bug in dup2() not duplicating to 0-2 and some others\n> >>> that I think only affect tests. So get XP if you can or prepare\n> >>> to fix Wine along the way.\n> >> Yeah, I wasn't going to use it under Wine actually. Just wanted\n> >> to see if I could get it building there, to ease automated\n> >> packaging later. However, I've given up on it, due to a perl\n> >> issue, which might be caused by the issue you describe.\n> >\n> > You could cross-compile it. You'll need a cross toolchain, zlib\n> > stuff and a good config.mak (I can send you one if you have trouble\n> > with it).\n>\n> I would definitely be interested in your config.mak file!\n\nRename the attached file config.mak and you can \"make\" right away\nwithout running configure. You still need to set CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to\nspecify location of zlib.h and libz.a though.\n\n> Thanks!\n>\n> --\n> .marius\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n-- \nDuy\n"},{"id":"49585","messageId":"46B3206D.8000402@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fcaeb9bf0708030514n7f1c4fecqf7c850d216d0583@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T12:32:45Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T12:32:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy said the following on 03.08.2007 14:14:\n>> I would definitely be interested in your config.mak file!\n> \n> Rename the attached file config.mak and you can \"make\" right away \n> without running configure. You still need to set CFLAGS and LDFLAGS\n> to specify location of zlib.h and libz.a though.\n\nExcellent, I'll give that a try.\nThanks!\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49586","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031334530.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"a1bbc6950708030258h16a6514kf5c637af13874fb7@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T12:37:15Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T12:37:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n\n> The changes that I've made:\n> * removed .git in /git directory to save space\n> * installed gdb\n> * applied my Vista fix\n> * made self-extracting .rar archive\n\n* replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n\nSneaky.\n\nCan you defend the choice?\n\nFWIW here are my arguments for rxvt:\n\n\t- it behaves the same on all Windows versions\n\t- it has a scroll back (which you have to activate on cmd first)\n\t- it is resizable\n\t- it has sane copy&paste behaviour (which you have to activate on \n\t\tcmd first, and then still have to hit the Return key after \n\t\thaving selected some text)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49588","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031347160.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031243330.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T12:47:50Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T12:47:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> Completely forgot: we might want to do something like this at the end of \n> /etc/profile:\n> \n> \ttest ! -d /git || {\n> \t\tmv /git $HOME/ &&\n> \t\tcd $HOME/git &&\n> \t\tmake install &&\n> \t\tgit config remote.origin.url \\\n> \t\t\tgit://repo.or.cz/git/mingw.git\n> \t\tgit config remote.origin.fetch \\\n> \t\t\t'+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*'\n> \t\tgit config remote.mob.url \\\n> \t\t\trepo.or.cz:/srv/git/git/mingw.git\n> \t\tgit config remote.mob.fetch \\\n> \t\t\t+refs/remote/mob:refs/remotes/origin/mob\n> \t\tgit config remote.mob.push \\\n> \t\t\tmaster:mob\n> \t\tgit fetch\n> \t\tgit reset 51785010a4d3e7f6c3\n> \t}\n> \n> Please test that, and include it if it works.\n\nOh well, I downloaded your archive, and making the adjustments right now.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49593","messageId":"46B328EA.4030309@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031334530.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:08:58Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:08:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin said the following on 03.08.2007 14:37:\n> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n>> The changes that I've made:\n>> * removed .git in /git directory to save space\n>> * installed gdb\n>> * applied my Vista fix\n>> * made self-extracting .rar archive\n> \n> * replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n> Sneaky.\n> Can you defend the choice?\n> FWIW here are my arguments for rxvt:\n> \n> \t- it behaves the same on all Windows versions\n> \t- it has a scroll back (which you have to activate on cmd first)\n> \t- it is resizable\n> \t- it has sane copy&paste behaviour (which you have to activate on \n> \t\tcmd first, and then still have to hit the Return key after \n> \t\thaving selected some text)\n\nNormally, people would probably like to stay in their current \nenvironment/window. Let's say you're doing something in a cmd windows, \nthen you want to go and compile git. If you run msys.bat, it will kill \nyour current window, and show a rxvt window instead. That's kinda not \nnice really.\n\nIf you enable the QuickEdit in the 'CMD' window, you mark with mouse, \nthe right-click to copy, then right-click again to paste. No need to \nmove your hand and hit Enter/Return. (Many people don't know about the \nright-click to copy, but it's a much better work-flow)\n\nYou can do all the changes (like changing the scrollback size and edit \nmode) once, then store it, never to change it again.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49594","messageId":"46B32981.9040904@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031347160.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:11:29Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:11:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">> Completely forgot: we might want to do something like this at the end of \n>> /etc/profile:\n>>\n>> \ttest ! -d /git || {\n>> \t\tmv /git $HOME/ &&\n>> \t\tcd $HOME/git &&\n>> \t\tmake install &&\n>> \t\tgit config remote.origin.url \\\n>> \t\t\tgit://repo.or.cz/git/mingw.git\n>> \t\tgit config remote.origin.fetch \\\n>> \t\t\t'+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*'\n>> \t\tgit config remote.mob.url \\\n>> \t\t\trepo.or.cz:/srv/git/git/mingw.git\n>> \t\tgit config remote.mob.fetch \\\n>> \t\t\t+refs/remote/mob:refs/remotes/origin/mob\n>> \t\tgit config remote.mob.push \\\n>> \t\t\tmaster:mob\n>> \t\tgit fetch\n>> \t\tgit reset 51785010a4d3e7f6c3\n>> \t}\n>>\n>> Please test that, and include it if it works.\n\nHmmm, I have trouble 'parsing' this.\nYou meant\n test ! -d $HOME/git ||\nright?\n\nBut, given that he removed the initial git sources, the script won't \nwork. He left the git executables to be able to check a new Git out, \nif I understand correctly.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49595","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031411360.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B328EA.4030309@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:18:12Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:18:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> Johannes Schindelin said the following on 03.08.2007 14:37:\n> > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n> > > The changes that I've made:\n> > > * removed .git in /git directory to save space\n> > > * installed gdb\n> > > * applied my Vista fix\n> > > * made self-extracting .rar archive\n> > \n> > * replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n> > Sneaky.\n> > Can you defend the choice?\n> > FWIW here are my arguments for rxvt:\n> > \n> > \t- it behaves the same on all Windows versions\n> > \t- it has a scroll back (which you have to activate on cmd first)\n> > \t- it is resizable\n> > \t- it has sane copy&paste behaviour (which you have to activate on\n> > cmd first, and then still have to hit the Return key after \t\thaving\n> > selected some text)\n> \n> Normally, people would probably like to stay in their current\n> environment/window. Let's say you're doing something in a cmd windows, then\n> you want to go and compile git. If you run msys.bat, it will kill your current\n> window, and show a rxvt window instead. That's kinda not nice really.\n> \n> If you enable the QuickEdit in the 'CMD' window, you mark with mouse, the\n> right-click to copy, then right-click again to paste. No need to move your\n> hand and hit Enter/Return. (Many people don't know about the right-click to\n> copy, but it's a much better work-flow)\n> \n> You can do all the changes (like changing the scrollback size and edit mode)\n> once, then store it, never to change it again.\n\nThanks for that good point (staying in your window).\n\nOkay, tell you what: I'll let msys.bat start a cmd, and msys-rxvt.bat \nstart an rxvt. Deal?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49596","messageId":"46B32C8D.4060804@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031411360.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:24:29Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:24:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin said the following on 03.08.2007 15:18:\n>> Normally, people would probably like to stay in their current \n>> environment/window. Let's say you're doing something in a cmd\n>> windows, then you want to go and compile git. If you run\n>> msys.bat, it will kill your current window, and show a rxvt\n>> window instead. That's kinda not nice really.\n>> \n>> If you enable the QuickEdit in the 'CMD' window, you mark with\n>> mouse, the right-click to copy, then right-click again to paste.\n>> No need to move your hand and hit Enter/Return. (Many people\n>> don't know about the right-click to copy, but it's a much better\n>> work-flow)\n>> \n>> You can do all the changes (like changing the scrollback size and\n>> edit mode) once, then store it, never to change it again.\n> \n> Thanks for that good point (staying in your window).\n> \n> Okay, tell you what: I'll let msys.bat start a cmd, and\n> msys-rxvt.bat start an rxvt. Deal?\n\nSound good to me!\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49597","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031434130.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B32C8D.4060804@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:34:29Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:34:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> Johannes Schindelin said the following on 03.08.2007 15:18:\n> \n> > Okay, tell you what: I'll let msys.bat start a cmd, and\n> > msys-rxvt.bat start an rxvt. Deal?\n> \n> Sound good to me!\n\nDone. Please test.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49598","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031434360.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B32981.9040904@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T13:37:30Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T13:37:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> > > Completely forgot: we might want to do something like this at the end of\n> > > /etc/profile:\n> > > \n> > > \ttest ! -d /git || {\n> > > \t\tmv /git $HOME/ &&\n> > > \t\tcd $HOME/git &&\n> > > \t\tmake install &&\n> > > \t\tgit config remote.origin.url \\\n> > > \t\t\tgit://repo.or.cz/git/mingw.git\n> > > \t\tgit config remote.origin.fetch \\\n> > > \t\t\t'+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*'\n> > > \t\tgit config remote.mob.url \\\n> > > \t\t\trepo.or.cz:/srv/git/git/mingw.git\n> > > \t\tgit config remote.mob.fetch \\\n> > > \t\t\t+refs/remote/mob:refs/remotes/origin/mob\n> > > \t\tgit config remote.mob.push \\\n> > > \t\t\tmaster:mob\n> > > \t\tgit fetch\n> > > \t\tgit reset 51785010a4d3e7f6c3\n> > > \t}\n> > > \n> > > Please test that, and include it if it works.\n> \n> Hmmm, I have trouble 'parsing' this.\n> You meant\n> test ! -d $HOME/git ||\n> right?\n> \n> But, given that he removed the initial git sources, the script won't work. He\n> left the git executables to be able to check a new Git out, if I understand\n> correctly.\n\nI ended up doing it differently. I test for $HOME/bin/git.exe, and if it \ndoes not exist, the whole compiling && installing && fetching is done.\n\nActually, I found out by debugging why it did not work as intended that \ncommit 5178501 was a commit _I_ made, from experimental patches Hannes \nsent to the list.\n\nI updated it to origin/devel + patches.\n\nHopefully these patches will be cleaned up, and submitted to Hannes (hint, \nhint).\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49601","messageId":"46B34B0D.6030106@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031434130.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T15:34:37Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T15:34:37Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Done. Please test.\n\nOk,\n\n1) msys.bat still kills the previous window\n msys.bat needs to change from\n:startsh\nstart sh --login -i\nexit\n\n to just\n:startsh\nsh --login -i\n\n(start opens a new CMD window, and exit kills the current one)\n\n2) If $HOME is set to the normal home directory of the user (which I\nhave, but I doubt it's common)\n C:\\Documents and Settings\\\n then you'll have problems with spaces in path, so the\n make install\n actually fails. So, next time you start msys.bat, it will try to do\nthe installation step again. I don't think we have to care about that\nright now. The current setup work fine for now. I'll play around a bit\nwith it, and we'll see.\n\n3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\nis hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\nNot sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\noptions, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n\n4) When using the install, I get\nmarius@STORM /git\n$ git init\nwarning: templates not found C:/msysGit/share/git-core/templates/\nInitialized empty Git repository in .git/\n\nProbably due to the \"Setting up git\" step not completing.\n\n--\n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49606","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031649480.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B34B0D.6030106@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T16:46:12Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T16:46:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> 1) msys.bat still kills the previous window\n> msys.bat needs to change from\n> :startsh\n> start sh --login -i\n> exit\n> \n> to just\n> :startsh\n> sh --login -i\n> \n> (start opens a new CMD window, and exit kills the current one)\n\nDone.\n\n> 2) If $HOME is set to the normal home directory of the user (which I\n> have, but I doubt it's common)\n> C:\\Documents and Settings\\\n> then you'll have problems with spaces in path, so the\n> make install\n> actually fails. So, next time you start msys.bat, it will try to do\n> the installation step again. I don't think we have to care about that\n> right now. The current setup work fine for now. I'll play around a bit\n> with it, and we'll see.\n\nI agree, it is much saner to install it to /bin. That should make \ncreating an installer for Git (the compiled one) easier, too.\n\n> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n\nYep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in \nsetup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n\n> 4) When using the install, I get\n> marius@STORM /git\n> $ git init\n> warning: templates not found C:/msysGit/share/git-core/templates/\n> Initialized empty Git repository in .git/\n> \n> Probably due to the \"Setting up git\" step not completing.\n\nThat is expected. Hooks are activated by chmod'ing them to executable. \nAFAIK this concept is thoroughly broken by Windows. So I do not even \nattempt to install the templates; otherwise all hooks would be blindly \nactivated (and you do not want that, trust me).\n\nNew installer is available and tagged 0.2.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n\nP.S.: I also uploaded the script I created to make the installer. It \nassumes that you installed 7zip to C:\\Program Files\\7-Zip but is trivial \nto adapt to your setup.\n"},{"id":"49608","messageId":"46B36B7F.8010008@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031649480.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T17:53:03Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T17:53:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n>> 1) msys.bat still kills the previous window\n>> (start opens a new CMD window, and exit kills the current one)\n> Done.\n\nWorks nicely now.\n\n>> 2) If $HOME is set to the normal home directory of the user (which I\n>> have, but I doubt it's common)\n>> then you'll have problems with spaces in path, so the\n>> make install\n> \n> I agree, it is much saner to install it to /bin. That should make \n> creating an installer for Git (the compiled one) easier, too.\n\nPerfect! All neatly packaged in c:\\MSysGit\\bin now :-)\n\n>> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n>> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n>> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n>> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n> \n> Yep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in \n> setup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n\nYup, work now.\n\n>> 4) When using the install, I get\n>> marius@STORM /git\n>> $ git init\n>> warning: templates not found C:/msysGit/share/git-core/templates/\n>> Initialized empty Git repository in .git/\n>>\n>> Probably due to the \"Setting up git\" step not completing.\n> \n> That is expected. Hooks are activated by chmod'ing them to executable. \n> AFAIK this concept is thoroughly broken by Windows. So I do not even \n> attempt to install the templates; otherwise all hooks would be blindly \n> activated (and you do not want that, trust me).\n\nActually, the MinGW build uses NOEXECTEMPL to set a '.noexec' postfix to\nthe template files, so they are not executed, even with Windows\nbrokeness. ;-) So, you can safely copy them into\nmsysgit\\shared\\git-core\\templates.\n\n> P.S.: I also uploaded the script I created to make the installer. It\n> assumes that you installed 7zip to C:\\Program Files\\7-Zip but is\n> trivial to adapt to your setup.\n\nThnx! I guess I should become a member of the project then, so I can\nupload packages when needed :-) (I already have a code.google.com\naccount 'mstormo', so you can add that user)\n\nLater!\n--\n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49611","messageId":"fd2562310708031133m72b43265n35277c360ef2ca7a@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B36B7F.8010008@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Mike Pape","fromEmail":"dotzenlabs@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T18:33:52Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T18:33:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dotzenlabs@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2479729?v=4"},"body":"> >> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n> >> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n> >> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n> >> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n> >\n> > Yep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in\n> > setup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n>\n> Yup, work now.\n\nWorks for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind a\nfirewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged version\nthat adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and then falls\nback to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is that something\nyou'd want up on code.google.com?\n"},{"id":"49612","messageId":"46B3764E.6090106@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fd2562310708031133m72b43265n35277c360ef2ca7a@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T18:39:10Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T18:39:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Mike Pape wrote:\n>>>> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n>>>> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n>>>> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n>>>> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n>>> Yep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in\n>>> setup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n>> Yup, work now.\n> \n> Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind a\n> firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged version\n> that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and then falls\n> back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is that something\n> you'd want up on code.google.com?\n\nOoo, I'd like your built curl and expat libs in a zip, pretty please! :-)\n\nThen we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW port, the\nbetter. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a zip, so I can get\nahold of it? You can mail me privately, if you'd like.\n\n--\n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49613","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031954480.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B3764E.6090106@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T18:55:07Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T18:55:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> Mike Pape wrote:\n> >>>> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n> >>>> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n> >>>> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n> >>>> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n> >>> Yep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in\n> >>> setup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n> >> Yup, work now.\n> > \n> > Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind a\n> > firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged version\n> > that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and then falls\n> > back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is that something\n> > you'd want up on code.google.com?\n> \n> Ooo, I'd like your built curl and expat libs in a zip, pretty please! :-)\n> \n> Then we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW port, the\n> better. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a zip, so I can get\n> ahold of it? You can mail me privately, if you'd like.\n\nI already installed curl, didn't I?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49614","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031956080.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fd2562310708031133m72b43265n35277c360ef2ca7a@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T18:57:04Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T18:57:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Mike Pape wrote:\n\n> > >> 3) When \"Setting up git\" the second time, it feels like the whole thing\n> > >> is hanging; have let it run for ~5min now without anything happening.\n> > >> Not sure what's going on here. It looks like git.exe was ran with any\n> > >> options, but that should not consume 100% CPU.. Hmm\n> > >\n> > > Yep. I did not test the initial phase, and there is a serious bug in\n> > > setup_git_directory_gently() in origin/devel. I fixed that.\n> >\n> > Yup, work now.\n> \n> Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind a\n> firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged version\n> that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and then falls\n> back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is that something\n> you'd want up on code.google.com?\n\nHang on. Dmitry proposed opening a project on repo.or.cz, but I did not \nthink that it made sense. I am converted now.\n\nI am in the middle of registering it.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49616","messageId":"46B37B09.1030808@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031954480.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T18:59:21Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T18:59:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n>> Mike Pape wrote:\n>>> Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind\n>>> a firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged\n>>> version that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and\n>>> then falls back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is\n>>> that something you'd want up on code.google.com?\n>> Ooo, I'd like your built curl and expat libs in a zip, pretty\n>> please! :-)\n>> \n>> Then we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW port,\n>> the better. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a zip, so I\n>> can get ahold of it? You can mail me privately, if you'd like.\n> \n> I already installed curl, didn't I?\n\nAh, yes, you did.\nHowever, we don't use it, due to Makefile's\n\tNO_CURL=YesPlease\nfor MINGW builds.\n\n--\n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49617","messageId":"fd2562310708031213sabc4599m79166f52e78edde3@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B37B09.1030808@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Mike Pape","fromEmail":"dotzenlabs@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T19:13:32Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T19:13:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dotzenlabs@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2479729?v=4"},"body":"On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> >> Mike Pape wrote:\n> >>> Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind\n> >>> a firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged\n> >>> version that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and\n> >>> then falls back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is\n> >>> that something you'd want up on code.google.com?\n> >> Ooo, I'd like your built curl and expat libs in a zip, pretty\n> >> please! :-)\n> >>\n> >> Then we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW port,\n> >> the better. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a zip, so I\n> >> can get ahold of it? You can mail me privately, if you'd like.\n> >\n> > I already installed curl, didn't I?\n>\n> Ah, yes, you did.\n> However, we don't use it, due to Makefile's\n> NO_CURL=YesPlease\n> for MINGW builds.\n>\n\nWas it in the latest version (0.2)? I didn't see it there. Either\nway, I had to make a couple changes to the Makefile to get it to work\nand also add expat (unless I somehow missed that too). Marius, do you\nstill want a zipped copy or do you have it already?\n"},{"id":"49618","messageId":"46B37F94.7030608@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fd2562310708031213sabc4599m79166f52e78edde3@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T19:18:44Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T19:18:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>> Then we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW\n>>>> port, the better. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a\n>>>> zip, so I can get ahold of it? You can mail me privately, if\n>>>> you'd like.\n>>> I already installed curl, didn't I?\n>> Ah, yes, you did. However, we don't use it, due to Makefile's \n>> NO_CURL=YesPlease for MINGW builds.\n>> \n> Was it in the latest version (0.2)? I didn't see it there. Either \n> way, I had to make a couple changes to the Makefile to get it to work\n> and also add expat (unless I somehow missed that too). Marius, do\n> you still want a zipped copy or do you have it already?\n\nYeah, curl is in there, but not expat, so we'd like that one, yes.\n\n--\n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"49620","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708032027250.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"fd2562310708031213sabc4599m79166f52e78edde3@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T19:33:17Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T19:33:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Mike Pape wrote:\n\n> On 8/3/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > >> Mike Pape wrote:\n> > >>> Works for me as well now. One catch is that at work, I'm behind\n> > >>> a firewall so git:// doesn't work for me. I have a packaged\n> > >>> version that adds curl and expat, enables them in the build, and\n> > >>> then falls back to http:// if git:// fails in /etc/profile. Is\n> > >>> that something you'd want up on code.google.com?\n> > >> Ooo, I'd like your built curl and expat libs in a zip, pretty\n> > >> please! :-)\n> > >>\n> > >> Then we can add it to the package. The more complete MinGW port,\n> > >> the better. Do you have anywhere you can put out such a zip, so I\n> > >> can get ahold of it? You can mail me privately, if you'd like.\n> > >\n> > > I already installed curl, didn't I?\n> >\n> > Ah, yes, you did.\n> > However, we don't use it, due to Makefile's\n> > NO_CURL=YesPlease\n> > for MINGW builds.\n> >\n> \n> Was it in the latest version (0.2)? I didn't see it there. Either\n> way, I had to make a couple changes to the Makefile to get it to work\n> and also add expat (unless I somehow missed that too). Marius, do you\n> still want a zipped copy or do you have it already?\n\nOkay, I am really close to initialising the repository on\n\n\thttp://repo.or.cz/w/git/mingw/msysgit.git\n\nnow.\n\nEverybody interested in contributing, please register as a user on \nrepo.or.cz and mail me your user name.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49629","messageId":"5AB2AD5AE96F4C2DAAE83AD66341C6E8@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031240450.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Dmitry Kakurin","fromEmail":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T21:14:15Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T21:14:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"> With Vista fix you mean both adding the USE_MINGW_ACCESS define and \n> copying cc1.exe to /bin?\n\nOnly the first one. I didn't copy cc1.exe because it could affect non-Vista users in a negative way.\n\n- Dmitry\n"},{"id":"49631","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708032218510.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708032027250.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T21:21:24Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T21:21:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> Okay, I am really close to initialising the repository on\n> \n> \thttp://repo.or.cz/w/git/mingw/msysgit.git\n\nActually, that did not work out too well. It is not really a fork, so the \ntags all pointed nowhere, and I could not even upload origin/devel to fix \nthat. So I bit the apple and initialised a new repo:\n\n\thttp://repo.or.cz/w/msysgit.git\n\nThis will be the official repo for this project.\n\nAll users who sent me their username are already registered there.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49630","messageId":"E3C81783E0454702B1F38D0B68CE1AC0@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708031334530.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Dmitry Kakurin","fromEmail":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-03T21:21:25Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T21:21:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"> * replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n> Sneaky.\n\nThis was a result of my customization that I have forgot to remove.\nIn general cmd window is more familiar/convenient for Windows users.\nIMHO, our goal here should be \"as native (Windows) as possible\". Cygwin fills \"as close to *nix as possible\" niche.\nBut in any case it's such a minor detail that I don't really care much.\n\n- Dmitry\n"},{"id":"49634","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708032231320.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"E3C81783E0454702B1F38D0B68CE1AC0@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-03T21:32:30Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-03T21:32:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n\n> > * replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n> > Sneaky.\n> \n> This was a result of my customization that I have forgot to remove.\n> In general cmd window is more familiar/convenient for Windows users.\n> IMHO, our goal here should be \"as native (Windows) as possible\". Cygwin fills\n> \"as close to *nix as possible\" niche.\n> But in any case it's such a minor detail that I don't really care much.\n\nActually, I finally saw the light and implemented your idea of the \nrepo.or.cz repository, containing a full copy of the darn beast.\n\nAnd there, differences like this one are much easier to spot.\n\nBesides, Marius convinced me already to include two versions.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49647","messageId":"e7bda7770708031716i61f80d89o8970b3236a961613@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708032231320.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Torgil Svensson","fromEmail":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-04T00:16:38Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-04T00:16:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hi,\n\nThis is great news for win(-stuck)-users. I've tried\n\"msysGit-0.2.exe\", a few glitches\n\n1. Unpacking in a folder that have space in it's path gave various\nerrors of this type (here, msysGit is unpacked on the desktop\nC:\\Documents and settings\\.... ) : make[1]: C:/Documents: Command not\nfound\n\n2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes (echoed input but programs didn't\noutput anything and didn't seem to respond to ctrl-c). Had it once\nduring \"make\" and once during \"ls\". I't might be related to me\nresizing the terminal during command execution (=I didn't see it\notherwise).\n\n3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write failure on\nstdout: Invalid argument\" on start - my other msys installation\ndidn't. (I didn't do anything to make git dirty - i'm on master and\ngitk shows no uncommited changes)\n$ git --version\ngit version mingw.v1.5.2.4.883.g3822-dirty\n\n4. Mouse-wheel didn't work to scroll views in gitk\n\n\n=> it works with minor installation effort! I've done both MSYS and\nCygwin installs - I think this will lower the git barrier on Win\nsignificantly. Thanks & good work all involved!\n\nBest Regards,\n\n//Torgil\n\nOn 8/3/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n>\n> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:\n>\n> > > * replace rxvt by that stupid cmd window\n> > > Sneaky.\n> >\n> > This was a result of my customization that I have forgot to remove.\n> > In general cmd window is more familiar/convenient for Windows users.\n> > IMHO, our goal here should be \"as native (Windows) as possible\". Cygwin fills\n> > \"as close to *nix as possible\" niche.\n> > But in any case it's such a minor detail that I don't really care much.\n>\n> Actually, I finally saw the light and implemented your idea of the\n> repo.or.cz repository, containing a full copy of the darn beast.\n>\n> And there, differences like this one are much easier to spot.\n>\n> Besides, Marius convinced me already to include two versions.\n>\n> Ciao,\n> Dscho\n>\n> -\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n>\n"},{"id":"49649","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708040123560.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"e7bda7770708031716i61f80d89o8970b3236a961613@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-04T00:26:01Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-04T00:26:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Sat, 4 Aug 2007, Torgil Svensson wrote:\n\n> Hi,\n> \n> This is great news for win(-stuck)-users. I've tried\n> \"msysGit-0.2.exe\", a few glitches\n> \n> 1. Unpacking in a folder that have space in it's path gave various\n> errors of this type (here, msysGit is unpacked on the desktop\n> C:\\Documents and settings\\.... ) : make[1]: C:/Documents: Command not\n> found\n\nGood point. Did you fix it? If so, where is the patch? Or even better, \nwhat is your account on repo.or.cz so I can add it, and you can commit \nyour fix yourself?\n\n> 2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes (echoed input but programs didn't\n> output anything and didn't seem to respond to ctrl-c). Had it once\n> during \"make\" and once during \"ls\". I't might be related to me\n> resizing the terminal during command execution (=I didn't see it\n> otherwise).\n\nI did not experience those. Could you research further?\n\n> 3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write failure on\n> stdout: Invalid argument\" on start - my other msys installation\n> didn't. (I didn't do anything to make git dirty - i'm on master and\n> gitk shows no uncommited changes)\n> $ git --version\n> git version mingw.v1.5.2.4.883.g3822-dirty\n\nI did not even bother testing gitk... Any idea what is going wrong?\n\n> 4. Mouse-wheel didn't work to scroll views in gitk\n\nAgain, no idea why. Could you please investigate?\n\n> => it works with minor installation effort! I've done both MSYS and \n> Cygwin installs - I think this will lower the git barrier on Win \n> significantly. Thanks & good work all involved!\n\nThanks. Your feedback is much appreciated.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49956","messageId":"e7bda7770708051641h15bd38abo659e74322e6232c0@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708040123560.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Torgil Svensson","fromEmail":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-05T23:41:30Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-05T23:41:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 8/4/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n>\n\nHi\n\nThank you for your reply.\n\n> > 1. Unpacking in a folder that have space in it's path gave various\n> > errors of this type (here, msysGit is unpacked on the desktop\n> > C:\\Documents and settings\\.... ) : make[1]: C:/Documents: Command not\n> > found\n>\n> Good point. Did you fix it? If so, where is the patch? Or even better,\n> what is your account on repo.or.cz so I can add it, and you can commit\n> your fix yourself?\n\nI didn't. I bypassed it (unpacked to C:\\). I found the bug however\n(missed quoting):\n\n$ diff -urN msysGit msysGit-fixed\ndiff -urN msysGit/git/git-gui/Makefile msysGit-fixed/git/git-gui/Makefile\n--- msysGit/git/git-gui/Makefile Fri Aug 3 15:00:16 2007\n+++ msysGit-fixed/git/git-gui/Makefile Mon Aug 6 01:22:53 2007\n@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@\n #\n\n GIT-VERSION-FILE: .FORCE-GIT-VERSION-FILE\n- @$(SHELL_PATH) ./GIT-VERSION-GEN\n+ @\"$(SHELL_PATH)\" ./GIT-VERSION-GEN\n -include GIT-VERSION-FILE\n\n uname_O := $(shell sh -c 'uname -o 2>/dev/null || echo not')\ndiff: msysGit/git/gitweb/test/M?¤rchen: No such file or directory\ndiff: msysGit-fixed/git/gitweb/test/M?¤rchen: No such file or directory\n\n\nI'll make an account and send you the details when I get an public\nSSH-key, haven't done that in windows before. Can I share private key\non both windows and Linux box?\n\n\n> > 2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes\n> I did not experience those. Could you research further?\n\nSome observations:\n\"git log\" on mingw archive trigger this every time for me (hangs on\ndifferent places each time).\n\n\"cmd\" terminal (msys.bat) seems to pipe \"git log\" to less while rxvt\nterminal outputs lots of text very fast (msys-rxvt.bat) and freezes.\nOutput:ing lots of text itself doesn't seem to be an issue (\"make -d\"\ndoesn't freeze and outputs _lots_ of text)\n\n\n> > 3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write failure on\n> > stdout: Invalid argument\"\n> I did not even bother testing gitk... Any idea what is going wrong?\n\nThe fconfigure -blocking command seems to be not supported under\nmingw. This patch makes the error go away. Another issue that is\nprobably related to this is that gitk doesn't list all commits. I\ndon't know how to solve this properly.\n\ndiff --git a/gitk b/gitk\nindex 43d88ca..69e5149 100755\n--- a/gitk\n+++ b/gitk\n@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@ proc getcommitlines {fd view} {\n unset commfd($view)\n notbusy $view\n # set it blocking so we wait for the process to terminate\n- fconfigure $fd -blocking 1\n+ #fconfigure $fd -blocking 1\n if {[catch {close $fd} err]} {\n set fv {}\n if {$view != $curview} {\n\n\n$ grep '\\-blocking' gitk | wc -l\n 10\n\n(all sets blocking to 0 except for the one in getcommitlines above)\n\n\n\n> > 4. Mouse-wheel didn't work to scroll views in gitk\n>\n> Again, no idea why. Could you please investigate?\n\nTough one since I didn't take the tcl tk debugging class. Doesn't work\nfor me in cygwin either. I don't know if it's implemented at all. Does\nit work for anyone else?\n\n\n//Torgil\n"},{"id":"49959","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708060054020.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"e7bda7770708051641h15bd38abo659e74322e6232c0@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-06T00:11:24Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T00:11:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Torgil Svensson wrote:\n\n> On 8/4/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > > 1. Unpacking in a folder that have space in it's path gave various \n> > > errors of this type (here, msysGit is unpacked on the desktop \n> > > C:\\Documents and settings\\.... ) : make[1]: C:/Documents: Command \n> > > not found\n> >\n> > Good point. Did you fix it? If so, where is the patch? Or even \n> > better, what is your account on repo.or.cz so I can add it, and you \n> > can commit your fix yourself?\n> \n> I didn't. I bypassed it (unpacked to C:\\). I found the bug however \n> (missed quoting):\n> \n> $ diff -urN msysGit msysGit-fixed\n> diff -urN msysGit/git/git-gui/Makefile msysGit-fixed/git/git-gui/Makefile\n> --- msysGit/git/git-gui/Makefile Fri Aug 3 15:00:16 2007\n> +++ msysGit-fixed/git/git-gui/Makefile Mon Aug 6 01:22:53 2007\n> @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@\n> #\n> \n> GIT-VERSION-FILE: .FORCE-GIT-VERSION-FILE\n> - @$(SHELL_PATH) ./GIT-VERSION-GEN\n> + @\"$(SHELL_PATH)\" ./GIT-VERSION-GEN\n\nAFAICT this _fixes_ compilation in a patch containing spaces, not break \nit.\n\n> diff: msysGit/git/gitweb/test/M??rchen: No such file or directory\n> diff: msysGit-fixed/git/gitweb/test/M??rchen: No such file or directory\n\nYes, that Märchen is a constant pain. I think it is the reason Kai \nvanished: he does not want to bear the consequences of his wrong doing.\n\nOf course, it has exposed errors regarding encoding in filenames. But \nthose are errors in the OSes (or in this case, MSys), and _not_ to be \nfixed within git.\n\n> I'll make an account and send you the details when I get an public \n> SSH-key, haven't done that in windows before. Can I share private key on \n> both windows and Linux box?\n\nYes. However, I inherently distrust Windows. So I made a separate \naccount on Windows.\n\nNOTE: earlier installers included msys-rxvt.bat. I now _know_ for a fact \nthat a lot of things are strangely broken under Rxvt. For example, \ncreating an ssh key, of all things.\n\nI'd be more than happy to add you to the member list.\n\n> > > 2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes\n> >\n> > I did not experience those. Could you research further?\n\nThose \"freezes\" were due to the fact that Rxvt incorrectly updates stderr \nin a blocking way, or not at all (don't know which). There are more \nthings that do not work in Rxvt, and only after trying the same in cmd \n(which I do not like for various reasons) I found out that rxvt.exe is at \nfault.\n\nI would be glad if somebody managed to compile rxvt herself and fix all \nthose bugs (see http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ for a short list of the \nmost pressing issues I found). As it is, I have enough work to do with \nthe rest of msysGit, and for the moment, I can at least work in cmd. Even \nssh push works.\n\n> Some observations:\n> \"git log\" on mingw archive trigger this every time for me (hangs on\n> different places each time).\n\nNever experienced those.\n\n> \"cmd\" terminal (msys.bat) seems to pipe \"git log\" to less while rxvt\n> terminal outputs lots of text very fast (msys-rxvt.bat) and freezes.\n> Output:ing lots of text itself doesn't seem to be an issue (\"make -d\"\n> doesn't freeze and outputs _lots_ of text)\n\nIt never froze for me. However, as stated, Rxvt is too workaroundable for \nme to work on it (although I like Rxvt better than cmd). Any help \nappreciated very much.\n\n> > > 3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write failure on\n> > > stdout: Invalid argument\"\n> >\n> > I did not even bother testing gitk... Any idea what is going wrong?\n\ngitk worked fine for me, as long as I had _any_ refs in the repo.\n\n> The fconfigure -blocking command seems to be not supported under\n> mingw. This patch makes the error go away. Another issue that is\n> probably related to this is that gitk doesn't list all commits. I\n> don't know how to solve this properly.\n> \n> diff --git a/gitk b/gitk\n> index 43d88ca..69e5149 100755\n> --- a/gitk\n> +++ b/gitk\n> @@ -147,7 +147,7 @@ proc getcommitlines {fd view} {\n> unset commfd($view)\n> notbusy $view\n> # set it blocking so we wait for the process to terminate\n> - fconfigure $fd -blocking 1\n> + #fconfigure $fd -blocking 1\n\nI have to wonder how you called it... From msys.bat, cd'ing into a valid \nrepository, I had no issues whatsoever.\n\n> > > 4. Mouse-wheel didn't work to scroll views in gitk\n> >\n> > Again, no idea why. Could you please investigate?\n> \n> Tough one since I didn't take the tcl tk debugging class. Doesn't work\n> for me in cygwin either. I don't know if it's implemented at all. Does\n> it work for anyone else?\n\nI just tested via VNC, and indeed, it does not work. My guess is that \nMinGW's Tk version has a different number assigned to the scroll wheel \n(the scroll wheel is usually implemented as constant fire on a special \nmouse button; AFAICT buttons 4 and 5 are assumed to be the scroll buttons \nin gitk).\n\nNow, I do not know what these are called on Windows, but there should be a \nthing like \"xev\" on Windows, too... Anybody?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"49987","messageId":"46B6B60C.4080805@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708060054020.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-06T05:47:56Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T05:47:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin said the following on 06.08.2007 02:11:\n> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Torgil Svensson wrote:\n>>>> 2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes\n>>> I did not experience those. Could you research further?\n> \n> Those \"freezes\" were due to the fact that Rxvt incorrectly updates\n> stderr in a blocking way, or not at all (don't know which). There\n> are more things that do not work in Rxvt, and only after trying the\n> same in cmd (which I do not like for various reasons) I found out\n> that rxvt.exe is at fault.\n> \n> I would be glad if somebody managed to compile rxvt herself and fix\n> all those bugs (see http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ for a short\n> list of the most pressing issues I found). As it is, I have enough\n> work to do with the rest of msysGit, and for the moment, I can at\n> least work in cmd. Even ssh push works.\n\nHi guys,\n\nInstead of hacking away on this old terminal, what about simply \nincluding another nice Open Source project?\n\nOn Windows we have a replacement terminal, which has all the features \nyou want, and also supports tabs like Konsole. I've used it for \nseveral years, and it works great. Have a look and see if you like it, \nthen we can add it to the repo:\n http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/\n\nOriginal name, ey? :-)\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"50008","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708061123450.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B6B60C.4080805@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-06T10:24:41Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T10:24:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n\n> Instead of hacking away on this old terminal, what about simply including\n> another nice Open Source project?\n> \n> On Windows we have a replacement terminal, which has all the features you\n> want, and also supports tabs like Konsole. I've used it for several years, and\n> it works great. Have a look and see if you like it, then we can add it to the\n> repo:\n> http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/\n> \n> Original name, ey? :-)\n\nThat sounds awesome. However, from their sourceforge page, it seems they \nsupport only 2k and xp? What about 95 and nt?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"50011","messageId":"46B7076C.7090309@trolltech.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708061123450.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Marius Storm-Olsen","fromEmail":"marius@trolltech.com","sentAt":"2007-08-06T11:35:08Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T11:35:08Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marius@trolltech.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a40071d8f651862c6ab10bd7996f0ad84d94f06c0399de9e3fa4f06beb390a71?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin said the following on 06.08.2007 12:24:\n> Hi,\n> \n> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> \n>> Instead of hacking away on this old terminal, what about simply including\n>> another nice Open Source project?\n>>\n>> On Windows we have a replacement terminal, which has all the features you\n>> want, and also supports tabs like Konsole. I've used it for several years, and\n>> it works great. Have a look and see if you like it, then we can add it to the\n>> repo:\n>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/\n>>\n>> Original name, ey? :-)\n> \n> That sounds awesome. However, from their sourceforge page, it seems they \n> support only 2k and xp? What about 95 and nt?\n\nHmm, nope. Just tried it on 98, and that didn't fly. It requires \nsymbols to do top-level transparency, which is only accessible from \nWin2K and later.\n\n-- \n.marius\n\n"},{"id":"50023","messageId":"e7bda7770708060730t7c0713c4m6abe42d929d847b0@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708060054020.14781@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Torgil Svensson","fromEmail":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-06T14:30:57Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T14:30:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"torgil.svensson@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 8/6/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> NOTE: earlier installers included msys-rxvt.bat. I now _know_ for a fact\n> that a lot of things are strangely broken under Rxvt. For example,\n> creating an ssh key, of all things.\n\n> > > > 2. rxvt-terminal had some freezes\n\n> Those \"freezes\" were due to the fact that Rxvt incorrectly updates stderr\n> in a blocking way, or not at all (don't know which). There are more\n> things that do not work in Rxvt, and only after trying the same in cmd\n> (which I do not like for various reasons) I found out that rxvt.exe is at\n> fault.\n>\n> I would be glad if somebody managed to compile rxvt herself and fix all\n> those bugs (see http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ for a short list of the\n> most pressing issues I found). As it is, I have enough work to do with\n> the rest of msysGit, and for the moment, I can at least work in cmd. Even\n> ssh push works.\n>\n\nIt looks like rxvt is evil. I'll try to get other terminals working\nlike that one Marius suggested. Although msys/bash makes up for most\nof the annoyances I dislike the cmd-terminal to the point that it's a\nreal issue for me [deep settled in my neuron configuration].\n\n> > > > 3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write failure on\n> > > > stdout: Invalid argument\"\n\n> I have to wonder how you called it... From msys.bat, cd'ing into a valid\n> repository, I had no issues whatsoever.\n\nI called it from rxvt. I tried it now under cmd and it's all good. Did\nyou try rxvt in this case?\n\n\nI notice that with your net installer (great job btw!), I get the\nmsysgit.git reop under /.git and the mingw.git repo under /git/.git\nbut there is no /git in /.gitignore. Is this overlap intended? Isn't\nthis a case for submodules?\n\n//Torgil\n"},{"id":"50024","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708061535390.14781@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"e7bda7770708060730t7c0713c4m6abe42d929d847b0@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-06T14:37:19Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-06T14:37:19Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Torgil Svensson wrote:\n\n> On 8/6/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > > > > 3. \"gitk --all\" said \"Error reading commits: fatal: write \n> > > > > failure on stdout: Invalid argument\"\n> \n> > I have to wonder how you called it... From msys.bat, cd'ing into a \n> > valid repository, I had no issues whatsoever.\n> \n> I called it from rxvt. I tried it now under cmd and it's all good. Did \n> you try rxvt in this case?\n\nI had no issues like that in rxvt. But \"git push\" via ssh was a no go. \neven with the \"ssh://..\" syntax. Since it works in cmd, I'll stay with \ncmd for now, but I'd like to see a working rxvt.\n\n> I notice that with your net installer (great job btw!), I get the \n> msysgit.git reop under /.git and the mingw.git repo under /git/.git but \n> there is no /git in /.gitignore. Is this overlap intended? Isn't this a \n> case for submodules?\n\nExactly. My bad. Dmitry pointed out that I should not have done that, \nand I'm in the middle of setting it up as a submodule.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"50300","messageId":"81b0412b0708090147y11783e3i4f0a6251dbe2c736@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"46B6B60C.4080805@trolltech.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Alex Riesen","fromEmail":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-09T08:47:12Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-09T08:47:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/324101?v=4"},"body":"On 8/6/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> Johannes Schindelin said the following on 06.08.2007 02:11:\n> On Windows we have a replacement terminal, which has all the features\n> you want, and also supports tabs like Konsole. I've used it for\n> several years, and it works great. Have a look and see if you like it,\n> then we can add it to the repo:\n> http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/\n>\n> Original name, ey? :-)\n\nA fine example of windows hackery (they had to inject some code into\nthe process running a standard windows console to redirect the IO,\nbecause windows has no tty of any form).\nIt is wonder it works, but it really does (surprisingly often).\nVery impressive.\n"},{"id":"50306","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708091013430.21857@racer.site","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"81b0412b0708090147y11783e3i4f0a6251dbe2c736@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-08-09T09:14:57Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-09T09:14:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Alex Riesen wrote:\n\n> On 8/6/07, Marius Storm-Olsen wrote:\n> > Johannes Schindelin said the following on 06.08.2007 02:11:\n> > On Windows we have a replacement terminal, which has all the features\n> > you want, and also supports tabs like Konsole. I've used it for\n> > several years, and it works great. Have a look and see if you like it,\n> > then we can add it to the repo:\n> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/\n> >\n> > Original name, ey? :-)\n> \n> A fine example of windows hackery (they had to inject some code into\n> the process running a standard windows console to redirect the IO,\n> because windows has no tty of any form).\n> It is wonder it works, but it really does (surprisingly often).\n> Very impressive.\n\nI have some issues with it, though.\n\n- I really hate to leave anything older than W2K behind. You might not \n care, but I do.\n\n- I tested it, and it gave a constant flicker, at least in the status bar. \n Does not seem to be that fleshed out.\n\nSo I'd really like to see rxvt.exe fixed.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"50323","messageId":"81b0412b0708090655v7cf8acc3rbca86d0d59ff813c@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"9359","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0708091013430.21857@racer.site","subject":"Re: Git on MSys (or how to make it easy for Windows users to compile git)","fromName":"Alex Riesen","fromEmail":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-08-09T13:55:54Z","receivedAt":"2007-08-09T13:55:54Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/324101?v=4"},"body":"On 8/9/07, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> > Very impressive.\n>\n> I have some issues with it, though.\n>\n> - I really hate to leave anything older than W2K behind. You might not\n> care, but I do.\n>\n> - I tested it, and it gave a constant flicker, at least in the status bar.\n> Does not seem to be that fleshed out.\n\nThat's typical for impressive windows hackery...\nSwitching the transparency completely (frame and background in tabs) off\nseem to help with the flicker. At least it does not flicker much for w2k here.\n"}]}