{"thread":{"id":"60269","subject":"Projects for the next Outreachy round","startedAt":"2023-09-26T14:48:31Z","lastAt":"2023-09-27T06:33:42Z","messageCount":9,"participants":["Christian Couder","Kousik Sanagavarapu","Victoria Dye","Emily Shaffer","Shuqi Liang"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"482342","messageId":"CAP8UFD1bsez-eMis5yH7Esds+LkhMnj0qTUMFPL1tRuDv2fiPw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-26T14:48:12Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-26T14:48:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi everyone, especially Shuqi and Kousik,\n\nSeptember 29 is the deadline for proposing Outreachy projects. As we\nhave at least one mentor for now (me), we should propose at least one\nproject though.\n\nAll ideas for projects are welcome, don't hesitate to suggest one! But\nthe simplest would be to continue one of the projects we proposed for\nthis year's GSoC which is just over. By the way, congrats to Shuqi and\nKousik for successfully completing their projects!\n\nSo Shuqi and Kousik, please tell us if you would like to continue\nworking on your projects or if it's Ok if we propose them for\nOutreachy.\n\nAbout \"Unifying the pretty and ref-filter formats\", I don't think\nthere are a lot more atoms to work on, but maybe that would be enough\nwork if Kousik stopped working on it after his current work on mailmap\noptions for some atom is merged (which might happen soon).\n\nAbout the \"More Sparse Index Integrations\" Shuqi worked on, mentored\nby Victoria, I am likely not the best person to mentor it, but I think\nI could manage. It would be nice though if I got an idea about what\nshould be done next and how much work is left in general in this area.\n(Shuqi's GSoC final report at\nhttps://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/22/Final/ doesn't talk much about\nthis.) Perhaps even if Shuqi is continuing to work on the project,\nthere is still work that could be done in parallel on other commands\nthan the ones he is working on.\n\nSorry for the late request, but please let me know soon about this.\n\nThanks,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"482345","messageId":"ZRMJRVl16gBEElGZ@five231003","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1bsez-eMis5yH7Esds+LkhMnj0qTUMFPL1tRuDv2fiPw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Kousik Sanagavarapu","fromEmail":"five231003@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-26T16:39:33Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-26T16:39:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"five231003@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/75560439?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Christian Couder wrote:\n> By the way, congrats to Shuqi and\n> Kousik for successfully completing their projects!\n\nThanks.\n\n> So Shuqi and Kousik, please tell us if you would like to continue\n> working on your projects or if it's Ok if we propose them for\n> Outreachy.\n\nI would like to continue working on the project and hopefully complete\nthe duplication of the remaining pretty formats into ref-fitler.\n"},{"id":"482350","messageId":"1c12ac0a-5e45-bb27-c452-250ffd4b9320@github.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1bsez-eMis5yH7Esds+LkhMnj0qTUMFPL1tRuDv2fiPw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Victoria Dye","fromEmail":"vdye@github.com","sentAt":"2023-09-26T17:18:24Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-26T17:18:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"vdye@github.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3619353?v=4"},"body":"Christian Couder wrote:\n> About the \"More Sparse Index Integrations\" Shuqi worked on, mentored\n> by Victoria, I am likely not the best person to mentor it, but I think\n> I could manage. It would be nice though if I got an idea about what\n> should be done next and how much work is left in general in this area.\n> (Shuqi's GSoC final report at\n> https://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/22/Final/ doesn't talk much about\n> this.) Perhaps even if Shuqi is continuing to work on the project,\n> there is still work that could be done in parallel on other commands\n> than the ones he is working on.\n\nTo be honest, I'd recommend against using \"More Sparse Index Integrations\"\nas a project again - I was actually going to suggest \"retiring\" the project\nafter this past GSoC term. The remaining commands are all fairly complex, to\nthe point that they'd be challenging even for someone that's done a lot of\nsparse index work.\n\nAll that said, if someone is *really* interested in this project, you might\nbe able to get it to work. You'll probably want to limit the scope to one\ncommand and make sure there's a strong emphasis placed on testing. Sparse\nindex integrations can introduce a lot of subtle bugs (e.g. the one Shuqi\nfound in 'diff' [1]), and a buggy command is worse for users than lacking\nsparse index compatibility.\n\nI hope that helps!\n- Victoria\n\n[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230811142211.4547-3-cheskaqiqi@gmail.com/\n\n> \n> Sorry for the late request, but please let me know soon about this.\n> \n> Thanks,\n> Christian.\n\n"},{"id":"482360","messageId":"CAJoAoZmC-Ku80aSp5xkxfirJitoi_ai6ryK3cJ7Jkx_2fUjENw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1bsez-eMis5yH7Esds+LkhMnj0qTUMFPL1tRuDv2fiPw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Emily Shaffer","fromEmail":"nasamuffin@google.com","sentAt":"2023-09-26T22:23:17Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T01:14:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"nasamuffin@google.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1606826?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 7:48 AM Christian Couder\n wrote:\n>\n> Hi everyone, especially Shuqi and Kousik,\n>\n> September 29 is the deadline for proposing Outreachy projects. As we\n> have at least one mentor for now (me), we should propose at least one\n> project though.\n>\n> All ideas for projects are welcome, don't hesitate to suggest one!\n\nIt is probably premature for this cycle. But once we have unit testing\nframework[1] in, I expect that moving tests from t/helper/test-foo.c +\na sh test to invoke test-foo over to using the unit testing framework\ncould be a tidy project for GSOC/Outreachy. Especially if we can have\nan example migration to refer to, which Siddharth from Google is\nworking on in his 20% time just now :)\n\n1: https://lore.kernel.org/git/cover.1692297001.git.steadmon@google.com/\n"},{"id":"482364","messageId":"CAMO4yUEws6CmBH+rYynnGGsX067iJRgyQwVxa2b4mkYwnV_u+A@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1bsez-eMis5yH7Esds+LkhMnj0qTUMFPL1tRuDv2fiPw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Shuqi Liang","fromEmail":"cheskaqiqi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-27T03:30:30Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T04:32:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"cheskaqiqi@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/109261504?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 10:48 AM Christian Couder\n wrote:\n>\n> So Shuqi and Kousik, please tell us if you would like to continue\n> working on your projects or if it's Ok if we propose them for\n> Outreachy.\n\nHi Christian,\n\nI'm afraid I won't have sufficient time to take on the remaining\ncommands in the upcoming school year. I'd like to leave those for other\ncontributors who are interested.\n\n>It would be nice though if I got an idea about what\n> should be done next and how much work is left in general in this area.\n> (Shuqi's GSoC final report at\n> https://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/22/Final/ doesn't talk much about\n> this.) Perhaps even if Shuqi is continuing to work on the project,\n> there is still work that could be done in parallel on other commands\n> than the ones he is working on.\n\nSorry for not providing more details in my final report. In 2023 ideas[1]\ngit write-tree, git diff-files, git diff-tree, git worktree have all\nbeen successfully\nimplemented with sparse index integration.There are some remaining\nissues in git check-attr related to diffs.[2][3]\n\nTwo other commands on the list are being worked on by Raghul:\n'git describe' has been successfully integrated, 'git diff-index'\nstill need more work. The remaining commands on the list have not been\nstarted on.\n\n[1]https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/\n[2]https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230811142211.4547-3-cheskaqiqi@gmail.com/\n[3]https://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/20/Week9-10/\n\nhope that helps!\nShuqi\n"},{"id":"482367","messageId":"CAP8UFD1gdLG2VMH2fkPQAajw17qz-FuVatiKrguh70e2VYEWAQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAJoAoZmC-Ku80aSp5xkxfirJitoi_ai6ryK3cJ7Jkx_2fUjENw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-27T06:14:39Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T06:15:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi Emily,\n\nOn Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 12:23 AM Emily Shaffer wrote:\n>\n> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 7:48 AM Christian Couder\n> wrote:\n> >\n> > Hi everyone, especially Shuqi and Kousik,\n> >\n> > September 29 is the deadline for proposing Outreachy projects. As we\n> > have at least one mentor for now (me), we should propose at least one\n> > project though.\n> >\n> > All ideas for projects are welcome, don't hesitate to suggest one!\n>\n> It is probably premature for this cycle. But once we have unit testing\n> framework[1] in, I expect that moving tests from t/helper/test-foo.c +\n> a sh test to invoke test-foo over to using the unit testing framework\n> could be a tidy project for GSOC/Outreachy. Especially if we can have\n> an example migration to refer to, which Siddharth from Google is\n> working on in his 20% time just now :)\n>\n> 1: https://lore.kernel.org/git/cover.1692297001.git.steadmon@google.com/\n\nThanks for the great idea! I am going to propose this as the coding\npart of Outreachy should start only in December and I think there are\ngood chances that the unit test framework will be merged by then. In\ncase everything is not ready when Outreachy starts, I think we will\nprobably find other unit tests or libification related work that the\nintern can do.\n\nFor example, I recently thought about converting commands that store\nconfig info in global variables and use old config functions like\ngit_config_(int|bool|string|...) to instead use the git_config_get_*()\nfunctions and no more global variables. I wanted to ask about it\ntoday, but I think your suggestion would be better.\n\nThanks,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"482368","messageId":"CAP8UFD1S-rc8gWREEDe1LU4aojbXND85SmRGGBoJ-0E_KpS2Bg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"1c12ac0a-5e45-bb27-c452-250ffd4b9320@github.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-27T06:18:19Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T06:18:47Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi Victoria,\n\nOn Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 7:18 PM Victoria Dye wrote:\n>\n> Christian Couder wrote:\n> > About the \"More Sparse Index Integrations\" Shuqi worked on, mentored\n> > by Victoria, I am likely not the best person to mentor it, but I think\n> > I could manage. It would be nice though if I got an idea about what\n> > should be done next and how much work is left in general in this area.\n> > (Shuqi's GSoC final report at\n> > https://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/22/Final/ doesn't talk much about\n> > this.) Perhaps even if Shuqi is continuing to work on the project,\n> > there is still work that could be done in parallel on other commands\n> > than the ones he is working on.\n>\n> To be honest, I'd recommend against using \"More Sparse Index Integrations\"\n> as a project again - I was actually going to suggest \"retiring\" the project\n> after this past GSoC term. The remaining commands are all fairly complex, to\n> the point that they'd be challenging even for someone that's done a lot of\n> sparse index work.\n\nOk, I will not propose that project then.\n\n> All that said, if someone is *really* interested in this project, you might\n> be able to get it to work. You'll probably want to limit the scope to one\n> command and make sure there's a strong emphasis placed on testing. Sparse\n> index integrations can introduce a lot of subtle bugs (e.g. the one Shuqi\n> found in 'diff' [1]), and a buggy command is worse for users than lacking\n> sparse index compatibility.\n>\n> I hope that helps!\n\nSure, thanks for the interesting update on this,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"482369","messageId":"CAP8UFD1g6Vmc7Kx7suSmnMJThM_m4gcaZ0V1f4w0c1M9DoO-Mw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"ZRMJRVl16gBEElGZ@five231003","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-27T06:26:25Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T06:26:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi Kousik,\n\nOn Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 6:39 PM Kousik Sanagavarapu\n wrote:\n>\n> Hi,\n>\n> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Christian Couder wrote:\n> > By the way, congrats to Shuqi and\n> > Kousik for successfully completing their projects!\n>\n> Thanks.\n>\n> > So Shuqi and Kousik, please tell us if you would like to continue\n> > working on your projects or if it's Ok if we propose them for\n> > Outreachy.\n>\n> I would like to continue working on the project and hopefully complete\n> the duplication of the remaining pretty formats into ref-fitler.\n\nOk, I will not propose the project for the upcoming Outreachy round then.\n\nThanks for your answer and for continuing to work on it,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"482370","messageId":"CAP8UFD1fZk8qMHWfavBpnywQ2LHqJZEz7MuZOXsF37tPifdsQQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"60269","inReplyTo":"CAMO4yUEws6CmBH+rYynnGGsX067iJRgyQwVxa2b4mkYwnV_u+A@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Projects for the next Outreachy round","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2023-09-27T06:33:13Z","receivedAt":"2023-09-27T06:33:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi Shuqi,\n\nOn Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 5:30 AM Shuqi Liang wrote:\n\n> Hi Christian,\n>\n> I'm afraid I won't have sufficient time to take on the remaining\n> commands in the upcoming school year. I'd like to leave those for other\n> contributors who are interested.\n\nSure, no worries. As per Victoria's suggestion, I will not propose\nthis as a project for the upcoming Outreachy round though.\n\n> Sorry for not providing more details in my final report. In 2023 ideas[1]\n> git write-tree, git diff-files, git diff-tree, git worktree have all\n> been successfully\n> implemented with sparse index integration.There are some remaining\n> issues in git check-attr related to diffs.[2][3]\n>\n> Two other commands on the list are being worked on by Raghul:\n> 'git describe' has been successfully integrated, 'git diff-index'\n> still need more work. The remaining commands on the list have not been\n> started on.\n>\n> [1]https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/\n> [2]https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230811142211.4547-3-cheskaqiqi@gmail.com/\n> [3]https://cheskaqiqi.github.io/2023/08/20/Week9-10/\n\nThanks for this information! The details will be useful to\ncontributors interested in this.\n\nBest,\nChristian.\n"}]}