{"thread":{"id":"54250","subject":"Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","startedAt":"2020-09-17T10:11:46Z","lastAt":"2020-09-21T09:22:33Z","messageCount":6,"participants":["Kerry, Richard","Jeff King","Aaron Schrab","Konstantin Ryabitsev"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"405735","messageId":"AM0PR02MB408170D1A71FB8C0E82A14789C3E0@AM0PR02MB4081.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Kerry, Richard","fromEmail":"richard.kerry@atos.net","sentAt":"2020-09-17T10:11:17Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-17T10:11:46Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"richard.kerry@atos.net","avatar":null},"body":"\nHas there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?\nUp until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules have stopped working.\n\nIs this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list software?  Will it be changed back?  \n\nRegards,\nRichard.\n\n"},{"id":"405744","messageId":"20200917130139.GB3024501@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":"AM0PR02MB408170D1A71FB8C0E82A14789C3E0@AM0PR02MB4081.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com","subject":"Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2020-09-17T13:01:39Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-17T13:02:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:11:17AM +0000, Kerry, Richard wrote:\n\n> Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?\n> Up until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from\n> git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages\n> are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules\n> have stopped working.\n> \n> Is this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list\n> software?  Will it be changed back?\n\nNot to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages\nI've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other\nmechanism you might be filtering on?\n\n(If you're not already, a reliable way to detect list messages is by the\nList-ID or X-Mailing-List headers, both of which are sent by the list\nsoftware).\n\nThis may be further complicated, though, by the fact that the convention\non this list is to cc people in responses. So you may receive a non-list\ncopy of such a response. Though I don't see you cc'd on a lot of\nresponses lately.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"405920","messageId":"20200918225326.GA1367@pug.qqx.org","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":"20200917130139.GB3024501@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Aaron Schrab","fromEmail":"aaron@schrab.com","sentAt":"2020-09-18T22:53:26Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-18T22:53:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"aaron@schrab.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/39620?v=4"},"body":"At 09:01 -0400 17 Sep 2020, Jeff King wrote:\n>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:11:17AM +0000, Kerry, Richard wrote:\n>\n>> Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?\n>> Up until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from\n>> git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages\n>> are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules\n>> have stopped working.\n>>\n>> Is this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list\n>> software?  Will it be changed back?\n>\n>Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages\n>I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other\n>mechanism you might be filtering on?\n\nComparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the \nmessage I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect \nto be similar before the list handling I see that that older message \nincluded the header\n\n Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org\n\nBut the newer message does not have a Sender: header.\n\nI don't know if that was a deliberate change. \n\n>(If you're not already, a reliable way to detect list messages is by \n>the List-ID or X-Mailing-List headers, both of which are sent by the \n>list software).\n\nYes, since I've been using the List-ID header for filtering for a long \ntime now, I hadn't noticed that the Sender: header was no longer being \nsent.\n"},{"id":"405921","messageId":"20200918232805.GA1197580@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":"20200918225326.GA1367@pug.qqx.org","subject":"Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2020-09-18T23:28:05Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-18T23:28:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"[+cc postmaster@vger; it looks like messages to the git-list stopped\nincluding a Sender header as of a few days ago]\n\nOn Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 06:53:26PM -0400, Aaron Schrab wrote:\n\n> > Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages\n> > I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other\n> > mechanism you might be filtering on?\n> \n> Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the\n> message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect to be\n> similar before the list handling I see that that older message included the\n> header\n> \n> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org\n> \n> But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.\n\nAh, thanks. I even looked for a Sender header, but I stupidly looked at\ntoo-recent messages, which of course didn't have one. :)\n\nAccording to my local archive, we stopped getting Sender headers around\n1600296026 (that's the timestamp when I received it), which was\n\n Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:11:50 -0400\n Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] t3200: avoid variations of the `master` branch name\n https://lore.kernel.org/git/20200916211150.GA617237@coredump.intra.peff.net/\n\nThe message I received right before that was:\n\n Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:25:42 -0700\n Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language\n https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqo8m5v2g9.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com/\n\nwhich does have a Sender header (note those are out of order if you\nbelieve the client-side Date headers).\n\n> I don't know if that was a deliberate change.\n\nI don't know, but we don't really admin the list ourselves. kernel.org\nfolks do, so they might have input.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"405927","messageId":"20200919014437.73xen2g4mcbqawdl@chatter.i7.local","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":"20200918232805.GA1197580@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Konstantin Ryabitsev","fromEmail":"konstantin@linuxfoundation.org","sentAt":"2020-09-19T01:44:37Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-19T01:44:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"konstantin@linuxfoundation.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/7cb8827c6de56e1bd2dea16508c6708aa43feed3bf3813bcdacecdf96ceadd79?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 07:28:05PM -0400, Jeff King wrote:\n> I don't know, but we don't really admin the list ourselves. kernel.org\n> folks do, so they might have input.\n\nYou cc'd postmaster@vger, which is the right set of people -- it's \nmanaged by a different crew than the rest of kernel.org.\n\nBest regards,\n-K\n"},{"id":"406018","messageId":"AM0PR02MB4081CA0FA1878FD098D5417D9C3A0@AM0PR02MB4081.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com","threadId":"54250","inReplyTo":"20200918232805.GA1197580@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"RE: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?","fromName":"Kerry, Richard","fromEmail":"richard.kerry@atos.net","sentAt":"2020-09-21T09:22:27Z","receivedAt":"2020-09-21T09:22:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"richard.kerry@atos.net","avatar":null},"body":"\n>-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jeff King \nSent: 19 September 2020 00:28\n\n[+cc postmaster@vger; it looks like messages to the git-list stopped including a Sender header as of a few days ago]\n\nOn Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 06:53:26PM -0400, Aaron Schrab wrote:\n\n> > Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the \n> > messages I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some \n> > other mechanism you might be filtering on?\n> \n> Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the \n> message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect \n> to be similar before the list handling I see that that older message \n> included the header\n> \n> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org\n> \n> But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.\n\nAh, thanks. I even looked for a Sender header, but I stupidly looked at too-recent messages, which of course didn't have one. :)\n\nAccording to my local archive, we stopped getting Sender headers around\n1600296026 (that's the timestamp when I received it), which was\n\n Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:11:50 -0400\n Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] t3200: avoid variations of the `master` branch name\n https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2F20200916211150.GA617237%40coredump.intra.peff.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&sdata=kO%2B18zpArKLse%2FI4JaNNvhqNmv%2F8hnftYyZvWTjVECQ%3D&reserved=0\n\nThe message I received right before that was:\n\n Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:25:42 -0700\n Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language\n https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2Fxmqqo8m5v2g9.fsf%40gitster.c.googlers.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&sdata=IL0Td9wrQdVPffYZTycpr1x7jxy5Tq63M2r%2B4h%2Fhb5A%3D&reserved=0\n\nwhich does have a Sender header (note those are out of order if you believe the client-side Date headers).\n\n> I don't know if that was a deliberate change.\n\n[RK] Yes, those are the two messages either side of the change as I see it. \n[RK] I'm using Outlook (it's a work computer) so I probably don't have the level of control that some other mail readers do, and everything gets a load of spam-filter headers added, making the headers harder to read. By adding \"To: Git\" I seem to have got my filters working again under the new, Sender-less, scheme. That is even working for messages where the Git list is CC-ed rather than Sent to.\n\n\n[RK] Regards,\n[RK] Richard.\n\n\n\n\n"}]}