{"thread":{"id":"53695","subject":"Re: Consensus on a new default branch name","startedAt":"2020-06-17T00:01:21Z","lastAt":"2020-06-17T00:01:21Z","messageCount":1,"participants":["Anonymous Remailer (austria)"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"399947","messageId":"9407c4f6384eb12299e5eb48fbaf0d63@remailer.privacy.at","threadId":"53695","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Re: Consensus on a new default branch name","fromName":"Anonymous Remailer (austria)","fromEmail":"mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at","sentAt":"2020-06-17T00:01:18Z","receivedAt":"2020-06-17T00:01:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at","avatar":null},"body":"\n> I think it's clear that this _is_ a politically-driven change. It is\n> not helping the software in any technical way to change the name. The\n> question is whether the more abstract benefits to people are worth the\n> potential costs.\n>\n> But I don't think anybody has been able to quantify the benefits in a\n> meaningful way. Or at least a way that everyone agrees on.\n\nI'm glad that we can agree on this point, and start giving attention to\nit. Thank you, Jeff. It seems that we're still in the dark about how\nhelpful this change would really be, and whether its impact, if any,\nwould go into the right direction.\n\nSo far, the best evidence I've seen comes from people expressing that\ncontrary to what is alleged on their behalf, not only the term \"master\"\ndoes not offend them, but it is in fact this renaming proposal that\ncomes off as racist and uncomfortable to them; and from the lots of\npeople expressing dismay and outrage against this proposal that they see\nas unwarranted. Please consider that this is still very poor evidence,\nand data of poorly ascertained quality. I hope we can hear about data\nboth of better quality, and from the other side.\n\nIdeally, the first to put forward this convincing data would be the ones\nwho came forward with this issue in the first place, with the claim\nthat \"master\" offends people, and the intent to drive change about it -\nso this would be Simon and Don. Simon, Don, can you help here? Strong\nelements to back up and ground in reality this obviously controversial\nclaim could really help to get people on board with this effort; I hope\nyou don't drop the ball here!\n\n"}]}