{"thread":{"id":"50735","subject":"straw poll: git merge conference location","startedAt":"2019-03-13T20:56:57Z","lastAt":"2019-03-15T15:12:32Z","messageCount":9,"participants":["Jeff King","Elijah Newren","Johannes Schindelin","Derrick Stolee","Konstantin Ryabitsev","Robert P. J. Day","Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"371401","messageId":"20190313205539.GA30425@sigill.intra.peff.net","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2019-03-13T20:55:39Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-13T20:56:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"I took an informal poll at the last contributor summit in Brussels, but\nthat obviously has some bias. So I'll ask here: do you have a location\npreference for a Git Merge conference (and associated contributor\nsummit) next March?\n\nWe're looking at doing it in North America, but there are two specific\nquestions:\n\n - is there preference between East Coast vs West Coast?\n\n - preferences between Canada and US?\n\nThere's no commitment, but please only share your opinion if it might\nactually impact your decision (i.e., if you might actually attend the\ncontribu summit). Feel free to email me off-list if you don't want to\nstart a flamewar about countries or coasts. :)\n\nThere's also been discussion about doing something (possibly in North\nAmerica) in the summer or fall of this year, but as far as I know there\nhasn't been any planning so far.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"371523","messageId":"CABPp-BEj3oxdhcFf-jQJbkCTOhjT2E-yMJhCpdTAbeb4xVTVAQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"20190313205539.GA30425@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Elijah Newren","fromEmail":"newren@gmail.com","sentAt":"2019-03-14T16:23:35Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T16:23:49Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"newren@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/5455730?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:58 PM Jeff King wrote:\n>\n> I took an informal poll at the last contributor summit in Brussels, but\n> that obviously has some bias. So I'll ask here: do you have a location\n> preference for a Git Merge conference (and associated contributor\n> summit) next March?\n>\n> We're looking at doing it in North America, but there are two specific\n> questions:\n>\n> - is there preference between East Coast vs West Coast?\n>\n> - preferences between Canada and US?\n>\n> There's no commitment, but please only share your opinion if it might\n> actually impact your decision (i.e., if you might actually attend the\n> contribu summit). Feel free to email me off-list if you don't want to\n> start a flamewar about countries or coasts. :)\n\nYou are probably not surprised to hear me vote in favor of North\nAmerica, but I'd like to point out that unless some responses didn't\nreach my inbox, it looks like 100% of respondents so far are in favor\nof doing it on this side of the pond. ;-)\n\nI'm fine with East or West coast, US or Canada. Very minor preference\nfor west coast, but whatever works for the most people is best. I'll\neven try to go to Europe again if that's what works for most people,\nbut I might not make it if it's there.\n"},{"id":"371524","messageId":"nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.1903141740170.41@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"CABPp-BEj3oxdhcFf-jQJbkCTOhjT2E-yMJhCpdTAbeb4xVTVAQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2019-03-14T16:41:00Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T16:41:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 14 Mar 2019, Elijah Newren wrote:\n\n> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:58 PM Jeff King wrote:\n> >\n> > I took an informal poll at the last contributor summit in Brussels, but\n> > that obviously has some bias. So I'll ask here: do you have a location\n> > preference for a Git Merge conference (and associated contributor\n> > summit) next March?\n> >\n> > We're looking at doing it in North America, but there are two specific\n> > questions:\n> >\n> > - is there preference between East Coast vs West Coast?\n> >\n> > - preferences between Canada and US?\n> >\n> > There's no commitment, but please only share your opinion if it might\n> > actually impact your decision (i.e., if you might actually attend the\n> > contribu summit). Feel free to email me off-list if you don't want to\n> > start a flamewar about countries or coasts. :)\n> \n> You are probably not surprised to hear me vote in favor of North\n> America, but I'd like to point out that unless some responses didn't\n> reach my inbox, it looks like 100% of respondents so far are in favor\n> of doing it on this side of the pond. ;-)\n> \n> I'm fine with East or West coast, US or Canada. Very minor preference\n> for west coast, but whatever works for the most people is best. I'll\n> even try to go to Europe again if that's what works for most people,\n> but I might not make it if it's there.\n\nI'll probably try to attend remote-only if it is outside Europe, which is\nnot a big deal for me.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"371525","messageId":"c0912b7f-6a83-c211-e50d-158322e3f300@gmail.com","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"20190313205539.GA30425@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Derrick Stolee","fromEmail":"stolee@gmail.com","sentAt":"2019-03-14T17:00:31Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T17:00:37Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"stolee@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/570044?v=4"},"body":"On 3/13/2019 4:55 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n> We're looking at doing it in North America, but there are two specific\n> questions:\n> \n> - is there preference between East Coast vs West Coast?\n\nI have no preference here.\n\n> - preferences between Canada and US?\n\nThere should be serious consideration for Canada only because visa issues\nmay prevent some participants from traveling into the US. I know that\nsome academic conferences have moved from US to Canada (even after already\nbeing scheduled for a US location) due to recent changes and general\nvolitility in visa policies. Perhaps I'm making a big deal about something\nthat doesn't affect any contributors that would join us, so I hope that\nanyone concerned about this can speak up (or contact Peff privately).\n\nThanks,\n-Stolee\n"},{"id":"371529","messageId":"CAMwyc-S4B6NzOJmGLhmfF4t-i0qD=+eKROg+4gewLxAjcgfcGw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"20190313205539.GA30425@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Konstantin Ryabitsev","fromEmail":"konstantin@linuxfoundation.org","sentAt":"2019-03-14T18:26:19Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T18:26:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"konstantin@linuxfoundation.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/7cb8827c6de56e1bd2dea16508c6708aa43feed3bf3813bcdacecdf96ceadd79?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 16:56, Jeff King wrote:\n> - preferences between Canada and US?\n\nIf you're looking at Canada, East coast is generally more affordable\nthan West Coast in terms of venues and accommodation. The three main\ntech hubs in the East are Toronto, Montreal and Halifax.\n\nToronto pros: nice city, lots of tech presence, direct travel from\nmost international airports\nToronto cons: only marginally less expensive than Vancouver\n\nMontreal pros: nice city, lots of tech presence, quite affordable for\nvenues and accommodations\nMontreal cons: many international travel destinations require stopovers\n\nHalifax pros: very nice city next to the ocean, a vibrant (if small)\ntech presence, very affordable\nHalifax cons: most international travel requires stopovers, inclement\nweather if unlucky\n\nHonourable mentions: Quebec City (if you want to be in North America,\nbut feel like you're still in Europe :), Ottawa (if you like museums\nand large historical government buildings)\n\nBest,\n-- \nKonstantin Ryabitsev\nMontréal, Québec\n"},{"id":"371531","messageId":"alpine.LFD.2.21.1903141435370.7482@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"CAMwyc-S4B6NzOJmGLhmfF4t-i0qD=+eKROg+4gewLxAjcgfcGw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Robert P. J. Day","fromEmail":"rpjday@crashcourse.ca","sentAt":"2019-03-14T18:40:08Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T18:40:13Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"rpjday@crashcourse.ca","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/226084077?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, 14 Mar 2019, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:\n\n> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 16:56, Jeff King wrote:\n> > - preferences between Canada and US?\n>\n> If you're looking at Canada, East coast is generally more affordable\n> than West Coast in terms of venues and accommodation. The three main\n> tech hubs in the East are Toronto, Montreal and Halifax.\n>\n> Toronto pros: nice city, lots of tech presence, direct travel from\n> most international airports Toronto cons: only marginally less\n> expensive than Vancouver\n>\n> Montreal pros: nice city, lots of tech presence, quite affordable\n> for venues and accommodations Montreal cons: many international\n> travel destinations require stopovers\n>\n> Halifax pros: very nice city next to the ocean, a vibrant (if small)\n> tech presence, very affordable Halifax cons: most international\n> travel requires stopovers, inclement weather if unlucky\n>\n> Honourable mentions: Quebec City (if you want to be in North\n> America, but feel like you're still in Europe :), Ottawa (if you\n> like museums and large historical government buildings)\n\n from a purely selfish perspective, i'd pick ottawa ... once you're\ndowntown, it's all walking -- parliament, sparks street, byward\nmarket. as for tech hubs, kanata is just outside of ottawa, and that's\nsome pretty serious tech hub.\n\nrday\n"},{"id":"371539","messageId":"87bm2db3ku.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"20190313205539.GA30425@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2019-03-14T20:31:29Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-14T20:31:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Wed, Mar 13 2019, Jeff King wrote:\n\n> I took an informal poll at the last contributor summit in Brussels, but\n> that obviously has some bias. So I'll ask here: do you have a location\n> preference for a Git Merge conference (and associated contributor\n> summit) next March?\n>\n> We're looking at doing it in North America, but there are two specific\n> questions:\n>\n> - is there preference between East Coast vs West Coast?\n>\n> - preferences between Canada and US?\n>\n> There's no commitment, but please only share your opinion if it might\n> actually impact your decision (i.e., if you might actually attend the\n> contribu summit). Feel free to email me off-list if you don't want to\n> start a flamewar about countries or coasts. :)\n>\n> There's also been discussion about doing something (possibly in North\n> America) in the summer or fall of this year, but as far as I know there\n> hasn't been any planning so far.\n\nThis is going off-topic, but I'd be curious if splitting it up from Git\nMerge in general is an option. Presumably the hypothetical event this\nsummer could be an experiment for that.\n\nPersonally I'd prefer to have a 2 day contributor summit stretching into\nsome hackathon to a 2nd day of talks for which I think most of us are\nnot the target audience. But maybe that's just me.\n\nOnce it's not a gigantic event requiring a gigantic conference venue\nthere's a lot more options for locations.\n\nWe'd just need something close to an international airport with\nacceptable accommodation space for max 30-40 people. This'll also help\npeople who need to fly into NA stay under their respective travel\nbudgets, hotels in NYC or SF are going to cost a lot more than in some\nsmall town outside a big airport. Something with more nature than\nconcrete would be nice.\n\nBut really, is Git Merge going to change its location on our whims? I\ndidn't realize we were that important :)\n\nMaybe we can compromise on this whole ongoing NA v.s. Europe debate and\nmeet in Iceland :)\n\nIn Brussels I suggested in jest that we hold it in Junio's back\nyard. The part that I'm serious about is that to the extent I have a\nlocation preference it's that we warp it towards core contributors who\nhaven't been coming to these things, but otherwise would if the location\nwas different (no idea if that's the case in Junio's case...).\n"},{"id":"371561","messageId":"20190315033814.GF28943@sigill.intra.peff.net","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"87bm2db3ku.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2019-03-15T03:38:14Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-15T03:39:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 09:31:29PM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:\n\n> > There's also been discussion about doing something (possibly in North\n> > America) in the summer or fall of this year, but as far as I know there\n> > hasn't been any planning so far.\n> \n> This is going off-topic, but I'd be curious if splitting it up from Git\n> Merge in general is an option. Presumably the hypothetical event this\n> summer could be an experiment for that.\n\nYeah, it could be, if somebody wants to organize it. There was some\ndiscussion on the list, I think, and a little bit in Brussels this year,\nbut I don't know of any concrete plans so far.\n\nI had some vague discussion with GitHub events folks about it, and I\nthink Terry from Google showed some interest in possibly hosting. I\nthink anything like that would probably be in the Bay Area, since it\nwould be easy for either entity to provide meeting space they already\nown.\n\nAnd that sort of gets to the crux of why it's attached to Git Merge. We\nare piggy-backing on all of the work that goes into handling the venue,\netc, for that conference. I think it's really not much work on top of\nthe conference, but doing it standalone in a random city would actually\ninvolve somebody doing some logistics legwork.\n\nThat said, I don't know that we need much. A big-ish conference room in\na hotel would be enough (though we were pushing 40 people this time!).\nWe don't really need a registration system, since we're small enough\nthat everybody knows everyone (or will know them by the end of the day).\n\n> We'd just need something close to an international airport with\n> acceptable accommodation space for max 30-40 people. This'll also help\n> people who need to fly into NA stay under their respective travel\n> budgets, hotels in NYC or SF are going to cost a lot more than in some\n> small town outside a big airport. Something with more nature than\n> concrete would be nice.\n\nIt's very scenic in my part of Virginia in the fall. :)\n\n> But really, is Git Merge going to change its location on our whims? I\n> didn't realize we were that important :)\n\nWell, no. But it's one of many inputs to the process.\n\n> Maybe we can compromise on this whole ongoing NA v.s. Europe debate and\n> meet in Iceland :)\n\nIceland Air is always trying to sell me that \"Reykjavik stopover\"...\n\n> In Brussels I suggested in jest that we hold it in Junio's back\n> yard. The part that I'm serious about is that to the extent I have a\n> location preference it's that we warp it towards core contributors who\n> haven't been coming to these things, but otherwise would if the location\n> was different (no idea if that's the case in Junio's case...).\n\nIt's possible that one of my ulterior motives was trying to get Junio\nto speak up. :)\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"371596","messageId":"nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.1903151609320.41@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet","threadId":"50735","inReplyTo":"20190315033814.GF28943@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: straw poll: git merge conference location","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2019-03-15T15:12:06Z","receivedAt":"2019-03-15T15:12:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi Ævar & Peff (and most importantly, Junio!),\n\nOn Thu, 14 Mar 2019, Jeff King wrote:\n\n> > Maybe we can compromise on this whole ongoing NA v.s. Europe debate\n> > and meet in Iceland :)\n> \n> Iceland Air is always trying to sell me that \"Reykjavik stopover\"...\n\nIceland!\n\nI could be talked into that. What's to hate about the incredible nature on\nIceland?\n\nSeriously again...\n\n> It's possible that one of my ulterior motives was trying to get Junio\n> to speak up. :)\n\nJunio, what would it take for you to participate in a Git Contributors'\nSummit again? In 2015, you did, and it was really a pleasure for me (and I\nhope it was not too terrible for you?).\n\nI still hear your voice whenever I read your emails, and it would be\nawesome to have that experience in person again.\n\nCiao,\nDscho"}]}